Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Mar 2013, at 18:58, meekerdb wrote: On 3/28/2013 7:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: And if we decide the Mars Rover is conscious, can any test prove us wrong? Yes. But it is longer to explain than for comp. Strong AI is refutable in a weaker sense than comp. The refutation here are

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Mar 2013, at 18:59, meekerdb wrote: On 3/28/2013 7:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Intelligence, in my opinion is rather easy too. It is a question of abstract thermodynamic, intelligence is when you get enough heat while young, something like that. It is close to courage, and it is

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-29 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/3/29 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be On 28 Mar 2013, at 18:59, meekerdb wrote: On 3/28/2013 7:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Intelligence, in my opinion is rather easy too. It is a question of abstract thermodynamic, intelligence is when you get enough heat while young, something like

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Mar 2013, at 19:01, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 28 Mar 2013, at 16:08, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 26 Mar 2013, at 18:19, meekerdb wrote:

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Mar 2013, at 20:15, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 28, 2013 10:41:22 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Mar 2013, at 17:53, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:13:09 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Mar 2013, at 13:35, Craig Weinberg wrote: It is

Re: Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down.

2013-03-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Mar 2013, at 20:36, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 28, 2013 1:29:19 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Mar 2013, at 13:23, Craig Weinberg wrote: Strong AI may not really want to understand consciousness This is a rhetorical trick. You put intention in the mind of

Re: My estimation of Daniel Dennett continues to improve

2013-03-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, March 29, 2013 3:43:09 AM UTC-4, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/3/29 John Clark johnk...@gmail.com javascript: On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 1:55 PM, meekerdb meek...@verizon.netjavascript: wrote: I exercise my free will when I make a choice without being coerced. If you

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, March 29, 2013 6:21:59 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Mar 2013, at 20:15, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 28, 2013 10:41:22 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Mar 2013, at 17:53, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 10:13:09 AM UTC-4, Bruno

Re: Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down.

2013-03-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, March 29, 2013 6:28:02 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Mar 2013, at 20:36, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 28, 2013 1:29:19 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Mar 2013, at 13:23, Craig Weinberg wrote: Strong AI may not really want to understand

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, March 29, 2013 5:41:19 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Mar 2013, at 18:59, meekerdb wrote: On 3/28/2013 7:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Intelligence, in my opinion is rather easy too. It is a question of abstract thermodynamic, intelligence is when you get enough

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Mar 2013, at 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/3/29 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be On 28 Mar 2013, at 18:59, meekerdb wrote: On 3/28/2013 7:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Intelligence, in my opinion is rather easy too. It is a question of abstract thermodynamic, intelligence is when

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, March 29, 2013 10:47:09 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Mar 2013, at 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/3/29 Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be javascript: On 28 Mar 2013, at 18:59, meekerdb wrote: On 3/28/2013 7:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Intelligence, in my opinion

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-29 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/3/29 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be On 29 Mar 2013, at 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/3/29 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be On 28 Mar 2013, at 18:59, meekerdb wrote: On 3/28/2013 7:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Intelligence, in my opinion is rather easy too. It is a question

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Mar 2013, at 16:04, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/3/29 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be On 29 Mar 2013, at 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/3/29 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be On 28 Mar 2013, at 18:59, meekerdb wrote: On 3/28/2013 7:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Intelligence, in

Re: Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down.

2013-03-29 Thread John Clark
The game Arinaa was designed by Omar Syed to be difficult for computers to solve, he invented it to spur the improvement of artificial intelligence software and so offered a $10,000 prize to the inventor of a software program that could defeat any human player; however there were some restrictions

A Collection of My Papers on Leibniz, Mind, Synchronicity, and so forth

2013-03-29 Thread Roger Clough
For those wishing to break free from materialism, there is a collection of My Papers on Leibniz, Mind, Synchronicity, and so forth on http://team.academia.edu/RogerClough Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 3/29/2013 Coincidences are God's way of remaining anonymous. - Albert Einstein -- You

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Mar 2013, at 16:02, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, March 29, 2013 10:47:09 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Mar 2013, at 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/3/29 Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be On 28 Mar 2013, at 18:59, meekerdb wrote: On 3/28/2013 7:52 AM, Bruno Marchal

Re: Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down.

2013-03-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, March 29, 2013 1:10:16 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: The game Arinaa was designed by Omar Syed to be difficult for computers to solve, he invented it to spur the improvement of artificial intelligence software and so offered a $10,000 prize to the inventor of a software program

Re: Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down.

2013-03-29 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: computation is different from consciousness, or more to the point, it is the opposite of consciousness. Did you learn that from astrology or numerology or by examining the entrails of a chicken? John K Clark --

Re: Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down.

2013-03-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, March 29, 2013 8:46:34 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: computation is different from consciousness, or more to the point, it is the opposite of consciousness. Did you learn that from

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, March 29, 2013 1:59:44 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Mar 2013, at 16:02, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, March 29, 2013 10:47:09 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Mar 2013, at 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/3/29 Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be On 28 Mar

Re: My estimation of Daniel Dennett continues to improve

2013-03-29 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 3:43 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: So if somebody else prevents me from doing what I want then I lack free will, No, you just lack the ability to exercise it. In other words you can't do what you want to do. So tell me again what the free will noise

Re: My estimation of Daniel Dennett continues to improve

2013-03-29 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Free will is intentionally favoring some set of sensory preferences So I have free will if I have intentionality and I have intentionality if I have free will. Did you learn that from astrology or numerology or by examining the