On Leibniz's rejection of extension as the essence of matter.

2013-05-28 Thread Roger Clough
On Leibniz's rejection of extension as the essence of matter. Leibniz rejected space as a fundamental substance, since in his view it can be infinitely divided Hence he also rejected Descartes' contention that extension is an essential property of matter. Leibniz instead suggested that

Re: That the mind works even after the brain ceases to function suggests its ...

2013-05-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 May 2013, at 20:44, Richard Ruquist wrote: Bruno, With MWI are some universes less probable than others. Only relatively to some state, some computational histories are less probable. It is open if there is a more stringer notion of probable universe. Actually it is an open

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-28 Thread John Clark
On Mon, May 27, 2013 Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: John - you are being disingenuous here. Bruno has explained this [Bpp] at considerable length. If even mighty Google doesn't know what Bpp is then I'm not embarrassed in not knowing either. John K Clark -- You received

Re: The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness

2013-05-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 May 2013, at 23:18, John Mikes wrote: Bruno: do you indeed exclude the other animals from being selfconcious? ? No, not at all. My current feeling (for what is worth) is that consciousness begins with the bacteria, plants and all animals. And self-consciousness arise already with

Re: That the mind works even after the brain ceases to function suggests its ...

2013-05-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 May 2013, at 01:42, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: In a way, professor, Marchal, you seem to be on the side of Stephen Wolfram, who once wrote about there being no need to ever do SETI, because, if we wanted to know advanced Extra Terrestrial technologies, it would be far, simpler to

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-28 Thread John Clark
On Mon, May 27, 2013 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Have you heard about Gödel's theorem? Yes. The only difference between objective and subjective is that in one case information is universally available and in the other case the information only exists in 3 pounds of grey goo

Re: The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness

2013-05-28 Thread meekerdb
On 5/28/2013 9:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 May 2013, at 01:53, meekerdb wrote: On 5/27/2013 2:18 PM, John Mikes wrote: Bruno: do you indeed exclude the other animals from being selfconcious? or - having a logic on their own level? Or any other trait we assign (identify?) for humans -

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 May 2013, at 17:52, John Clark wrote: On Mon, May 27, 2013 Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: John - you are being disingenuous here. Bruno has explained this [Bpp] at considerable length. If even mighty Google doesn't know what Bpp is then I'm not embarrassed in not

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-28 Thread John Clark
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: If even mighty Google doesn't know what Bpp is then I'm not embarrassed in not knowing either. You might search on Theatetus instead, as Russell suggested. If you want to communicate why should I need to search at

Re: The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness

2013-05-28 Thread John Mikes
Evgenyi, you write very 'deep' and 'smart things. One bothers me: *..the neurological substrates that generate consciousness. * first the anthropocentric sound (neurological?) and then the unidentified term of Ccness. In this same post (cf Russell and Brent) different contents are proposed,

Re: The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness

2013-05-28 Thread John Mikes
Brent: *...I don't think consciousness is an all-or-nothing property..* In that unnerving struggle of 2 decades to 'generalize' (some of) those zillion positions the diverse authors exuded about Ccness (to fit THEIR own theories - whatever they thought it was) I concluded that what most people

Re: The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness

2013-05-28 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 27 May 2013, at 23:18, John Mikes wrote: Bruno: do you indeed exclude the other animals from being selfconcious? ? No, not at all. My current feeling (for what is worth) is that consciousness begins with the

Re: The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness

2013-05-28 Thread Kim Jones
On 29/05/2013, at 2:04 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: You don't need language to feel the hotness of a fire. Bruno You don't need language to feel the effect of music. Kim Jones Language is the greatest barrier to communication that still exists - Edward de Bono