Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-28 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:52 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/27/2013 3:55 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:08 AM Subject: Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

RE: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood

2013-08-28 Thread smitra
Hi Chris, you are saying that: No, Saibal you invoke the moral quality of the act by describing it as a good thing But this is exactly why I want to avoid this whole morality thing, it comes with a baggage that then implies things that I don't support. I can think that 9/11 was a good

Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-28 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: Bullshit. Axioms don't need proof, and the most fundamental axiom in all of logic is that X is Y or X is not Y. Everything else is built on top of that. And only somebody who was absolutely desperate to prove the

Re: Re: Leibniz's final causation as the Self, the active agent of change

2013-08-28 Thread Roger Clough
Hi spudboy100 Anything that moves according to rules, a program, regulations, a control, etc. is not mind. Mind has to be free and unconstrained, at least in principle. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough -

Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-28 Thread Chris de Morsella
  From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net [snip] Although reductionism has recently received a lot of bad press from supermarket tabloids and new age gurus the fact remains that if

Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-28 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 11:17 PM Subject: Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test? On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:52 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On

Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-28 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com   On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: Bullshit. Axioms don't need proof, and the most fundamental axiom in all of logic is that X is Y or X is not Y.  Everything else is

Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?

2013-08-28 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:05:27PM -0700, Chris de Morsella wrote: John keeps insisting that X is Y or X is not Y. True, but so what? It does not provide any great insight into how the brain works as a dynamic entity. Basically based on reading his posts on the subject what I am stating is

Proof of Impossibility Sketch For a Consistent Theory of Everything and a Consistent Metasystem of a Theory of Everything

2013-08-28 Thread Ian Mclean
Details on my blog, Radical Computinghttp://radicomp.blogspot.com/2013/08/proof-of-impossibility-sketch-for.html . The summary is this, we can argue that a Theory of Everything is characterized by either syntactic, negation, or deductive completeness or universal closure. A *theory of