Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
Chris, I get an empty message here. Bruno On 18 Sep 2013, at 17:57, chris peck wrote: --- Original Message --- From: Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be Sent: 19 September 2013 12:08 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: What gives philosophers a bad name? On 18 Sep 2013, at

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Sep 2013, at 19:32, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Name a number relation that does not involve a computation or some other process! It is difference between a number j used as a name for a program, like in the arithmetical relation

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Sep 2013, at 21:45, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 18 Sep 2013, at 11:43, Telmo Menezes wrote: snip But maybe it doesn't. At least some week form of solipsism, where there is in fact only me, but the notion of I is

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Sep 2013, at 20:54, meekerdb wrote: On 9/18/2013 5:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I naturally took an extreme example to make my point. I do that often too, but here it weakened your point. Everyone (except Sunday philosopher) agree on 0, and its successor. Also some serious

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Sep 2013, at 22:07, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:14:21 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: Computers don't use symbols. ? They use physics, ??? You have been less Aristotelian in some other posts. If I build a computer out of gears, does it use

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 18 Sep 2013, at 21:45, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 18 Sep 2013, at 11:43, Telmo Menezes wrote: snip But maybe it doesn't. At least some week

Re: How PIP solves the hard problem of consciousness

2013-09-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Sep 2013, at 22:11, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:26:35 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: snip Beyond the ambiguities, comp put the physical universe in the gap, when the gap is modeled by the logic * minus the logic not-*. Why just the physical

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-19 Thread John Mikes
Bruno, do you hold Occam a panacea? I hold it an extremely sharp version for medieval primitive ignorance made as scientific: to disregard the 'total' we don't know and concentrate on the 'known' (knowable?) part only. Just as the position of conventioal sciences nowadays. The ultimate Occanism

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43:23 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Sep 2013, at 22:07, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:14:21 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: Computers don't use symbols. ? They use physics, ???

Re: How PIP solves the hard problem of consciousness

2013-09-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:55:15 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Sep 2013, at 22:11, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:26:35 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: snip Beyond the ambiguities, comp put the physical universe in the gap,

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-19 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: A computation is a process. I can agree with this, unless you meant a physical process, OK. As Rolf Landauer said Computation is physical, all computations must use energy and generate heat. And what's the

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-19 Thread meekerdb
Also some serious mathematicians are finitists. The Meaning of Pure Mathematics Author(s): Jan MycielskiSource: Journal of Philosophical Logic, Vol. 18, No. 3 (Aug., 1989), pp. 315-320Published by: SpringerStable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/30227216 . Come on! He believes that

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Chris, OK. Thanks for the precisions. I like Popper, for its epistemology (modulo the chosen vocabulary)., Yet, he disappointed me on QM, and even more on the mind-body problem, where he defended the Eccles dualist, and non mechanist, theory. But at least he tried, and he didn't put the

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-19 Thread LizR
On 20 September 2013 05:31, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: A computation is a process. I can agree with this, unless you meant a physical process, OK. As Rolf Landauer said Computation is physical, all

Women's suffrage day today (the 20th of September)

2013-09-19 Thread LizR
Just thought you should know that. On this day in 1893 in New Zealand, the other half of the adult population got the right to vote. (Who says NZ is behind the times? ... Apart from almost everybody, I mean?) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

RE: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-19 Thread chris peck
Hi John It doesn't take a genius to realize that if a idea isn't getting anywhere, that is to say if it doesn't produce new interesting ideas, your time would be better spent doing something else. Whats with this idea that the only good ideas are ones it would take a genius to realize?