Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 10:33 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/9/2013 5:31 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:28 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 12/9/2013 12:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:57 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> On 12/9/2013 12:44 AM, Li

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

On 12/9/2013 5:31 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:28 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 12/9/2013 12:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:57 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/9/2013 12:44 AM, LizR wr

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:28 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/9/2013 12:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:57 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 12/9/2013 12:44 AM, LizR wrote: >> >> On 9 December 2013 20:56, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> On 12/8/2013 4:36 PM, LizR wrote: >>> >>> O

Re: Santa Klaus does exist!

On 12/9/2013 2:03 PM, Jesse Mazer wrote: I don't have institutional access but I was able to read it online, though not to download it as a PDF (I just copy-and-pasted all the text for future reference instead). It's great to see each step of the argument laid out in greater detail than I've see

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

On 12/9/2013 12:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:57 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 12/9/2013 12:44 AM, LizR wrote: On 9 December 2013 20:56, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/8/2013 4:36 PM, LizR wrote: On

Re: Santa Klaus does exist!

I don't have institutional access but I was able to read it online, though not to download it as a PDF (I just copy-and-pasted all the text for future reference instead). It's great to see each step of the argument laid out in greater detail than I've seen on the list (admittedly I don't consistent

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

Hi John, I am not sure I understand. You ask me the question I was implicitly asking to John C., it seems to me. I am not proving the non existence of something (comp-I), but its existence (in the comp theory). Bruno *My apologies! I am frequently perplexed by the position-lined discussion partn

Re: Santa Klaus does exist!

Excellent, Bruno! I'm very glad for you - and for the wider audience that will now read your ideas. However I notice Santa only delivers if you have institutional access. I do. But others on the list may not. Brent On 12/9/2013 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi, Santa Klaus exists, and by

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:57 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/9/2013 12:44 AM, LizR wrote: > > On 9 December 2013 20:56, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 12/8/2013 4:36 PM, LizR wrote: >> >> On 9 December 2013 07:41, John Clark wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >>>

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

On 12/9/2013 2:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Dec 2013, at 09:44, LizR wrote: On 9 December 2013 20:56, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/8/2013 4:36 PM, LizR wrote: On 9 December 2013 07:41, John Clark mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Sun, Dec 8

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 12/9/2013 1:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Dec 2013, at 05:52, meekerdb wrote: On 12/8/2013 1:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: No, it's a simple matter of using different words for different things and not muddling the distinction. The Abrahamic religions make a positive virtue of faith:

Re: doesn't dark matter falsify general relativity?

I think I'll call it Relativi-stuck cosmology. On 9 December 2013 13:22, LizR wrote: > I'm working on a theory that galaxies are held together by duct tape and > superglue. > > It's proving a little tricky. Obviously the tape has to be arranged so the > dark side is facing towards us... > > >

Re: A definition of human consciousness

On 12/9/2013 1:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Dec 2013, at 01:33, LizR wrote: On 9 December 2013 05:52, John Clark > wrote: On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM, LizR mailto:lizj...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Could you name a materialistic theory that expla

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 12/9/2013 1:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Dec 2013, at 22:53, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 6:59 PM, John Clark wrote: Telmo Menezes you must also reject the MWI, because you live Who is "you"? Telmo's post was only 63 words long but the pronoun "you" was used 8 tim

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

On 12/9/2013 12:44 AM, LizR wrote: On 9 December 2013 20:56, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/8/2013 4:36 PM, LizR wrote: On 9 December 2013 07:41, John Clark mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:45 PM, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > You are the one making systematically a confusion between the 1-view >> and the 3-view. >> > > For several years now Bruno Marchal has accused John Clark of that, but > John Clar

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > You are the one making systematically a confusion between the 1-view and > the 3-view. > For several years now Bruno Marchal has accused John Clark of that, but John Clark would maintain that there is not a single person on the face of the

Re: In case you didn't get it. Consciousness is not a scientific topic

On 09 Dec 2013, at 13:11, Roger Clough wrote: In case you didn't get it. Consciousness is not a scientific topic Science is not a question of topic. We can keep a scientific attitude in all topics. We just have to do an effort toward clarity, and remind ourselves that theories are proviso

In case you didn't get it. Consciousness is not a scientific topic

In case you didn't get it. Consciousness is not a scientific topic Science deals only with public (communicable) knowledge. Descriptive knowledge by the third person. This is the province of science. Mind and consciousness are personal (private) knowledge. Personal experience by the f

Once again. Why science can never understand consciousness.

Once again. Why science can never understand consciousness. Science deals only with public (communicable) knowledge. Descriptive knowledge by the third person. Mind and consciousness are personal (private) knowledge. Personal experience by the first person singular. This is the

Santa Klaus does exist!

Hi, Santa Klaus exists, and by its magical power seems to have made my last paper ("The computationalist reformulation of the mind-body problem") in Progress in biophysics and molecular biology, *freely* available; here: http://elsarticle.com/18AF6PI This offer seems to last up to the 3

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

On 09 Dec 2013, at 09:44, LizR wrote: On 9 December 2013 20:56, meekerdb wrote: On 12/8/2013 4:36 PM, LizR wrote: On 9 December 2013 07:41, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> Determinism is far from "well established". > It's a basic assumption in a

Re: About infinity and knowing everything

On 08 Dec 2013, at 21:59, Ali Polatel wrote: I have been following this list for a while and some idea popped up to my mind today which I'd like to ask/share. I don't know if there are resources about this and I'd love to read any reference you can direct me to. (I am eager to learn so I though

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 09 Dec 2013, at 05:52, meekerdb wrote: On 12/8/2013 1:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: No, it's a simple matter of using different words for different things and not muddling the distinction. The Abrahamic religions make a positive virtue of faith: "Whoever wants to be a Christian should

Re: A definition of human consciousness

On 09 Dec 2013, at 01:33, LizR wrote: On 9 December 2013 05:52, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM, LizR wrote: > Could you name a materialistic theory that explains consciousness Consciousness is the feeling information has when it is being processed; if conscious is fundam

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 08 Dec 2013, at 22:53, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 6:59 PM, John Clark wrote: Telmo Menezes you must also reject the MWI, because you live Who is "you"? Telmo's post was only 63 words long but the pronoun "you" was used 8 times, that's almost 13%. When it is necess

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 08 Dec 2013, at 21:34, John Mikes wrote: Bruno wrote Dec.06 to John Clark: What about comp-immortality? have you an argument which makes you sure that your consciousness is not related to your computations in arithmetic? That would be a case you seem to know better than us. Excuse me..

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

On 9 December 2013 20:56, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/8/2013 4:36 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 9 December 2013 07:41, John Clark wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> >> Determinism is far from "well established". >>> >>> > It's a basic assumption in almo

Re: A definition of human consciousness

On 9 December 2013 20:54, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/8/2013 4:33 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 9 December 2013 05:52, John Clark wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM, LizR wrote: >> >>> Could you name a materialistic theory that explains consciousness >>> >> >> Consciousness is the feeling i