Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Dec 2013, at 22:31, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:41 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: One told me: I see in my diary that I predicted (in Helsinki) that I would be at both places, but I see now that this was wrong I predicted? In such a situation that

Re: The Yes-Doctor Experiment for real

2013-12-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Dec 2013, at 23:09, Stephen Paul King wrote: On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 13 Dec 2013, at 19:37, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Bruno, Why does an entire universe need to be simulated? ? If I (third person self-reference) is

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Dec 2013, at 19:44, Jason Resch wrote: On Dec 13, 2013, at 10:22 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: Any time John Clark pretends that he does not understand or believe in first-person

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Dec 2013, at 17:22, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: Any time John Clark pretends that he does not understand or believe in first-person indeterminancy, But I do believe in and understand first-person indeterminacy, in

Re: Uruguay

2013-12-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Dec 2013, at 12:54, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 13 Dec 2013, at 00:51, LizR wrote: On 13 December 2013 07:04, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Dec 2013, at 18:31, meekerdb wrote: Is it true that

Re: Uruguay

2013-12-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Dec 2013, at 14:51, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Of course, tolerance is better than nothing. But most implementations still ignore MPI (Merchant Person Indeterminacy), and so even in environments where possession is tolerated, anybody engaging in a commercial transaction or

Leibniz's theory of perception and consciousness.

2013-12-14 Thread Roger Clough
Leibniz's theory of perception and consciousness. The secret of perception. Particular minds and how they relate to the overall or Cosmic Mind The problem of perception in materialistic thinking is that it forces us to think that there is a fleshly homunculus inside our brains. Leibniz has

How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-14 Thread Roger Clough
How the banks are stealing our wealth. This seems to be factual, and is non-politcal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0Hi - Roger Clough You'll need to watch it at least twice to understand it, it's very complicated. And scarey. Pass it on. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]

Beware of the bitcoin

2013-12-14 Thread Roger Clough
The bitcoin is an international speculative cyber-currency (based on nothing) that has been inflating rapidly in price. I would be wary of investing in it because it can drop in value just as fast as it is rising. It's probably a bubble. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHVu626uOGE Dr. Roger B

Re: Leibniz's theory of perception and consciousness.

2013-12-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Dec 2013, at 15:08, Roger Clough wrote: Leibniz's theory of perception and consciousness. The secret of perception. Particular minds and how they relate to the overall or Cosmic Mind The problem of perception in materialistic thinking is that it forces us to think that there is

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-14 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: As liz summarized, you went from that's wrong! to that's obvious! As I've said before Bruno's ideas are original and true, but unfortunately the original ones are not true and the true ones are not original. John K

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-14 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 11:59 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: As liz summarized, you went from that's wrong! to that's obvious! As I've said before Bruno's ideas are original and true, but unfortunately

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-14 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: You confuse the 3-view on the 1-views, For several years now Bruno Marchal has accused John Clark of that, but John Clark would maintain that there is not a single person on the face of the earth who is confused by the difference

Re: Global warming ?

2013-12-14 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Show in egypth for the first time in 100 years: http://mashable.com/2013/12/13/snow-egypt-syria-israel/ 2013/12/14 LizR lizj...@gmail.com Seems to be a tiny CO2 spike at the right hand end. The resolution on that graph is too low to really see a mere 50 or 100 years I guess. -- You

Re: Global warming ?

2013-12-14 Thread Richard Ruquist
What I learned about turbulence as an undergrad Mech Engr is that adding energy to a turbulent system first enhances its fluctuations much more than its average values. Since climate may be a turbulent system, I think increased hot and cold weather fluctuations should be expected. Richard On

Re: Global warming ?

2013-12-14 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Sure. A good thing about climate change is that if it warms, it is global warming. If it cools, it is climate change. If it remain equal, because the time is a chaotic phenomenon that is inherently changing, then to stay the same is also a change. So : we win whatever the weather. It is a

Re: Global warming ?

2013-12-14 Thread Richard Ruquist
Al: time is a chaotic phenomenon Rich: please elaborate On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.comwrote: Sure. A good thing about climate change is that if it warms, it is global warming. If it cools, it is climate change. If it remain equal, because the time is

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-14 Thread LizR
I haven't had a chance to watch it, but I do know that banks are stealing our wealth - as indeed are rich people generally, since wealth breeds more wealth and that more wealth has to be extracted from you and me. On 15 December 2013 04:45, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: How the

Re: Global warming ?

2013-12-14 Thread LizR
On 15 December 2013 10:24, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: Sure. A good thing about climate change is that if it warms, it is global warming. If it cools, it is climate change. If it remain equal, because the time is a chaotic phenomenon that is inherently changing, then to stay

Re: Beware of the bitcoin

2013-12-14 Thread LizR
Bitcoins are apparently based on long and complex calculations rather than just nothing. I work with a guy who manufactures bitcoins and heats his house with the computer power required - or so he says. It sounds a ridiculous waste of power, time and effort, but he's probably autistic or something

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-14 Thread LizR
On 15 December 2013 07:50, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: You confuse the 3-view on the 1-views, For several years now Bruno Marchal has accused John Clark of that, but John Clark would maintain that there is not a

Re: Beware of the bitcoin

2013-12-14 Thread Richard Ruquist
I thought bitcoins were a fixed currency. That is the number of them is a constant. On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 5:33 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Bitcoins are apparently based on long and complex calculations rather than just nothing. I work with a guy who manufactures bitcoins and heats his

Re: Beware of the bitcoin

2013-12-14 Thread Pierz
Leibniz never used bitcoins goddammit so why should we! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post

Re: Beware of the bitcoin

2013-12-14 Thread Richard Ruquist
Beware of gold coins On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Pierz pier...@gmail.com wrote: Leibniz never used bitcoins goddammit so why should we! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: Beware of the bitcoin

2013-12-14 Thread TH Kaas
It's based on just as much as any medium of exchange. It's also quite convenient to use, especially for international transfers. Op zaterdag 14 december 2013 17:40:25 UTC+1 schreef Roger Clough: The bitcoin is an international speculative cyber-currency (based on nothing) that has been

Re: Beware of the bitcoin

2013-12-14 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 15 December 2013 09:33, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Bitcoins are apparently based on long and complex calculations rather than just nothing. I work with a guy who manufactures bitcoins and heats his house with the computer power required - or so he says. It sounds a ridiculous waste of

Fwd: We are not the Robots, Robots not are we

2013-12-14 Thread meekerdb
But is she right? Brent Original Message http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/12/10/meet-the-robot-telemarketer-who-denies-shes-a-robot/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: We are not the Robots, Robots not are we

2013-12-14 Thread Richard Ruquist
Does she pass the Turing Test? On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 1:17 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: But is she right? Brent Original Message http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/12/10/meet-the-robot- telemarketer-who-denies-shes-a-robot/ -- You received this message

Re: We are not the Robots, Robots not are we

2013-12-14 Thread LizR
On 15 December 2013 19:32, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Does she pass the Turing Test? It doesn't appear so, going by people's reactions. It's still some way to Stepford. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-14 Thread James Tauber
On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 5:27 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't had a chance to watch it, but I do know that banks are stealing our wealth - as indeed are rich people generally, since wealth breeds more wealth and that more wealth has to be extracted from you and me. Wealth doesn't