On 15 December 2013 07:50, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>
> > You confuse the 3-view on the 1-views,
>>
>
> For several years now Bruno Marchal has accused John Clark of that, but
> John Clark would maintain that there is not a single person on the face of
> the earth who is confused by the difference between the first person and
> the third person.
>
> > Then you know in Helsinki that you will survive and feel to be in only
>> one city with probability one
>>
>
> That depends, Is "You" the Helsinki Man or the Moscow Man or the
> Washington Man or John K Clark?
>
> > (that will be felt as true for both copies' 1-views),
>>
>
> Then what are we arguing about?
>
>  > and this introduces the 1-indeterminacy,
>>
>
> Did you really have to go through all this metaphysical gobbledegook to
> figure out that you never know for sure what you're going to see next and
> even if you did you can't know what you're going to say next until you say
> it?
>

Don't knock it, it took quantum physicists decades to work out how you can
get 1p inderterminacy from 3p determinacy.

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