Re: AI

2014-09-08 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 5:51 PM, LizR wrote: > It helps in discussions like these to agree on what we're talking about, > which (by definition :-) means having the same definitions > I don't think so, most people would flounder if asked for a definition, even for a commonly used word. Instead whe

RE: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the "God particle," could end the universe

2014-09-08 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 9:08 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the "God particle," could end the universe If I'm allowed to answer

Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the "God particle," could end the universe

2014-09-08 Thread meekerdb
On 9/7/2014 9:07 PM, LizR wrote: If I'm allowed to answer (not being a physicist) ... I had the impression that this was already considered to be a possibility - that the current state of the universe might be a false vaccuum (or something like that) which could eventually drop into a lower en

Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the "God particle," could end the universe

2014-09-08 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
By the way not worrying much because very high energy cosmic rays (that have been recorded with energies even, on rare occasions, exceeding the Greisen–Zatsepin–Kuzmin limit -- the theoretical limit to how powerful a distant source cosmic ray can be) are hitting things (including our own planet)

Fish can communicate and UNDERSTAND each other!

2014-09-08 Thread Stephen Paul King
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Re: Fish can communicate and UNDERSTAND each other!

2014-09-08 Thread LizR
V interesting, thanks! I wonder if this is an instinctive or a learned behaviour (e.g. bee dances are complex but I imagine instinctive, like the dear old spex wasp beloved of Prof Dennett. Animals (and birds, I think) learning to take advantage of a novel situation is probably learning / adaptive)

Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the "God particle," could end the universe

2014-09-08 Thread LizR
Yes I also wondered if this occurred in black holes, but of course we can't find out well not safely, or communicably! If these energies don't occur in SN etc then I certainly don't see us producing them in the near future. I only guessed SN because Hawking said we'd need an accelerator "large

Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the "God particle," could end the universe

2014-09-08 Thread LizR
Actually it looks like Chris has come up with a natural source exceeding the limit, which was, of course, all I was suggesting. If *anything* does this, then the idea becomes highly unlikely, because it should have already happened. (Nice to be right, even if the details were wrong :-) -- You re

Re: AI

2014-09-08 Thread LizR
The poiont isn't that someone can tell you the definition, the point is that when we discuss a topic we do our best to ensure we're talking about the same thing. On 9 September 2014 05:18, John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 5:51 PM, LizR wrote: > > > It helps in discussions like these

RE: Fish can communicate and UNDERSTAND each other!

2014-09-08 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
Some pretty amazing adaptive behavior with clear strategic awareness. It shows what even a small fish brain is capable of (small as compared with a humans almost 100 billion neurons) Thought you might enjoy watching this clip 80,000 neurons fire in a zebrafish brain http://www.sciencealert.co

Re: Fish can communicate and UNDERSTAND each other!

2014-09-08 Thread LizR
Wow! Maybe the old cartoon representation of a light bulb appearing over someone's head when they have a brainwave isn't so far off the mark. On 9 September 2014 15:16, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Some pretty amazing adaptive behavior with

Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the "God particle," could end the universe

2014-09-08 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi, Has any one figured out how Hawking for that number and will you explain it to us? Do energies of that scale even occur in the formation of black holes? On Sunday, September 7, 2014 11:17:19 PM UTC-4, cdemorsella wrote: > > What do the physicists on this list think about Hawkins recen

Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the "God particle," could end the universe

2014-09-08 Thread LizR
For the second question, as Brent pointed out physical quantities go to infinity (or more realistically to the Planck scale) in black hole formation. In other words they probably go as high as the universe will allow - but since they're (normally?) inside an event horizon, we won't be able to obser