Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > > No. Verses were noted down and memorised as revealed. > What if somebody human made a mistake here, like all of us from time to time? > Towards the end of the prophetic mission, when all the verses had been > revealed, the Heavenly

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

> On 14-Oct-2014, at 11:24 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > >> On 13 Oct 2014, at 19:37, Samiya Illias wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 13-Oct-2014, at 8:54 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> On 12 Oct 2014, at 18:36, John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Samiya Illias >

Reversing time = local reversal of thermodynamic arrows?

Hi, I re-read S. Mitra's paper again and it made more sense than before if I assumed that the reversible measurement idea is to be taken as a local reversal to the "direction of entropy flow" in an area and not the entire universe. The trouble is this n

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

​Hi John, Yo wrote: "God isn't even very smart, in fact God is as dumb as a sack full of doorknobs."​ Indeed, your existence is proof of this claim! Try harder not to project the consequences of being finite and human onto something that you will never understand. Too be sure, I find that t

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > I suggest to define God by "either the physical universe OR what is at > the origin of the physical universe, > Then if modern cosmologists are even close to being correct God is not omniscient, God isn't even very smart, in fact God is as

Re: generalizations_of_islam - God Matter

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 Bruno Marchal wrote: > By insisting that God does not exist, you insist that the > Christians/Muslims/Jews have the correct notion of God. Wow, calling a guy known for disliking religion religious, never heard that one before, at least I never heard it before I was 12. J

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

Hi Brent, I have had a couple of experiences that proved to me that there exists something like the theist God. Things that I can not explain otherwise are some kind of "divine intervention" that saved my life. Could there be an explanation that is completely secular? I am open to such, but

Re: dot dot dot

On 19 Aug 2014, at 02:18, meekerdb wrote: Are you aware of the research by the dating website OKCupid that showed that the best way to find out if your date believes in God, without asking directly, is to ask if they are persnickety about spelling and grammar. "No" indicates a likely beli

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On 13 Oct 2014, at 20:19, Samiya Illias wrote: On 13-Oct-2014, at 10:37 pm, Samiya Illias wrote: On 13-Oct-2014, at 8:54 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Oct 2014, at 18:36, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Samiya Illias > wrote: > Consider the following verses

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On 13 Oct 2014, at 19:37, Samiya Illias wrote: On 13-Oct-2014, at 8:54 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Oct 2014, at 18:36, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Samiya Illias > wrote: > Consider the following verses of Chapter 75:16-19 Stir not thy tongue herewith to has

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On 14 Oct 2014, at 09:16, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Samiya Illias > wrote: On 14-Oct-2014, at 5:03 am, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 Samiya Illias wrote: >> If the Quran has told Muslims to "put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers" and i

Re: generalizations_of_islam - God Matter

On 13 Oct 2014, at 18:56, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > You confirm all the time the theory that atheists are the best defenders of the christians dogma. Wow, calling a guy known for disliking religion religious, never heard that one before

Re: generalizations_of_islam

On 13 Oct 2014, at 18:48, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > what a things is and what a thing does: is basically the same things. So you think there is no difference between nouns verbs and adjectives. Wrong inference, which is clear in what

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On 13 Oct 2014, at 18:26, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 2:17 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 10/12/2014 2:35 PM, LizR wrote: I imagine most philosophers don't think about God because God isn't a very good explanation for anything. You just have to ask "where did God co

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

Very Good. Thanks Mitch -Original Message- From: John Clark To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 12:24 pm Subject: Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore? On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: > John, Instead o

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > John, Instead of God, what do you propose as a substitute for all the > awful suffering you have accurately, cited? That's asking a awful lot of me, I don't have a solution that will eliminate the

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

Ok. Have you ever given thought to a primal mind being a Boltzmann Brain? -Original Message- From: David Nyman To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 11:21 am Subject: Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today) On 14 October 2014 11:49, Bruno Marchal wrote: They elimi

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

Moreover, John- What'dya think of Brian May? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/11143875/Prof-Brian-Cox-Theres-a-naivety-in-saying-there-is-no-God.html I don't know if he's right or way wrong, but I find his focus, interesting. -Original Message- From: John Clark To: eve

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

On 14 October 2014 11:49, Bruno Marchal wrote: They eliminate consciousness because they grasp that it is the only way to > keep the aristotelian belief in a creation intact. I seem to be motivated to comment at some length on this topic! It must be because of what I've been reading and thinkin

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

John, Instead of God, what do you propose as a substitute for all the awful suffering you have accurately, cited? Marx said that religion is an opiate for the people, so what do you offer as a pain reliever? -Original Message- From: John Clark To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Oct 1

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > Are you at war with Islam? > No, I'm not at war with anyone. > Why should God put terror in your heart? > Because God is obviously a sadist and gets off on bondage. Why else would God spend a infinite number of years happily disembowelin

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

> On 14-Oct-2014, at 6:28 pm, Richard Ruquist wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Samiya Illias >> wrote: >> >> >>> On 14-Oct-2014, at 3:28 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> On 12 Oct 2014, at 18:33, Samiya Illias wrote: > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:54 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > On 14-Oct-2014, at 12:51 am, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < > multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Is there something like an internet publicity chapter in the Qu'ran (I > assume there must be some things related to men of fame who value

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

I think it's a fools' task to try to speak for God. Unless, one has an unassailable truth behind them, one that is testable, in the falsifiable sense of the phrase. So far, one can believe in the rightness of religious texts but its a matter of subjective analysis. Try admitting that we don't kn

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:33 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 10/13/2014 9:26 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 2:17 AM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 10/12/2014 2:35 PM, LizR wrote: >> >>> I imagine most philosophers don't think about God because God isn't a >>> very good ex

Re: I can tolerate anything except the outgroup

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < > multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Telmo Menezes >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < >

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

On 13 October 2014 16:05, Bruno Marchal wrote: That is the difference between []p and []p & p. The difference is null, > extensionally, from the point of view or the arithmetical truth. But the > difference is huge from both the body and soul points of view. Neither []p > nor []p & p will ever ju

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > On 14-Oct-2014, at 3:28 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 12 Oct 2014, at 18:33, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 10 Oct 2014, at 20:37, Samiya Illias wrote: >> >> >> >> On F

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

> On 14-Oct-2014, at 3:28 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > >> On 12 Oct 2014, at 18:33, Samiya Illias wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 10 Oct 2014, at 20:37, Samiya Illias wrote: > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Bru

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

On 13 October 2014 15:43, Bruno Marchal wrote: Well, some people might say "just information processing", and that is like > using some god to *explain* everything, instead of trying to formulate the > problem. > This is doubly so in the use of the term information, which is a word > which almost

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 14 Oct 2014, at 12:32, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:44 AM, Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> On 14 October 2014 13:14, Pierz wrote: >> > Oh that is stupid beyond belief. "The argument here is that there is n

Re: I can tolerate anything except the outgroup

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < >> multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

On 14 October 2014 11:49, Bruno Marchal wrote: It is not uncommon for "believer" to accept a contradiction to save their > faith, which appears to be of the type *blind*. > Yes indeed. It also puts me in mind of Sherlock Holmes's famous dictum: "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

On 13 Oct 2014, at 02:13, meekerdb wrote: On 10/12/2014 2:31 PM, LizR wrote: On 12 October 2014 16:11, meekerdb wrote: Just like I have a problem with Bruno's theory because it imputes consciousness to information processing like DNA, the "nothing but information processing" theory needs

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

On 14 Oct 2014, at 12:32, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:44 AM, Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: On 14 October 2014 13:14, Pierz wrote: > Oh that is stupid beyond belief. "The argument here is that there is no subjective impression." WTF? Maybe this guy is the best argument

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:44 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On 14 October 2014 13:14, Pierz wrote: > > Oh that is stupid beyond belief. "The argument here is that there is no > subjective impression." WTF? Maybe this guy is the best argument we have > for philosophical zombies. I suppose he me

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On 12 Oct 2014, at 18:33, Samiya Illias wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Oct 2014, at 20:37, Samiya Illias wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Oct 2014, at 00:21, John Mikes wrote: Samiya, I did not participate i

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On 12 Oct 2014, at 17:30, Samiya Illias wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:55 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Oct 2014, at 05:40, Samiya Illias wrote: On 10-Oct-2014, at 3:21 am, John Mikes wrote: Samiya, I did not participate in the sequence about your wisdom on the list, because

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On 12 Oct 2014, at 17:02, Samiya Illias wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Oct 2014, at 21:06, Samiya Illias wrote: On 09-Oct-2014, at 11:42 pm, Platonist Guitar Cowboy > wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Samiya Illias > wrote: Hmm. Please

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > On 14-Oct-2014, at 5:03 am, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 Samiya Illias wrote: > > >> If the Quran has told Muslims to "put terror into the hearts of the >>> unbelievers" and if the Quran really is the word of God then yo