Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-05 Thread LizR
On 6 January 2015 at 16:03, Jason Resch wrote: > > From information theory, it's true that nothing takes less information to > describe/specify than something. Surprisingly, however, it takes less > information to specify everything than it does to specify something or > nothing. > > This is the

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-05 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
Chris, Hi. I admit that something and nothing may be more of a comedy gold mine than I first wrote. It's nothing to sneeze at! :-) Although, I wonder if people who aren't interested in this stuff (e.g. almost everyone) would find it funny? It sounds like we're pretty much in agreem

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-05 Thread meekerdb
On 1/5/2015 7:03 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Why am I me and not someone else What evidence do you have that you aren't those other selves to? I believe all thoughts are equally yours. Who or what am I The universal soul to which all experiences belong. What is the meaning of li

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-05 Thread meekerdb
On 1/5/2015 8:32 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/5/2015 4:43 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: -- *From:* meekerdb *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Monday, January 5, 2015 4:34 PM

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-05 Thread meekerdb
On 1/5/2015 4:43 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: -- *From:* meekerdb *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Monday, January 5, 2015 4:34 PM *Subject:* Re: Why is there something ra

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-05 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 6:50 PM, LizR wrote: > Eternal inflation seems to assume there is something because "there has > always been something". However if so, it sidesteps the underlying issue - > why is there this (eternal) something? The question itself - and any > attempted answer - can't be a

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-05 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 7:37 PM, Kim Jones wrote: > > > > > > On 6 Jan 2015, at 12:09 pm, LizR wrote: > > Sounds a bit like sophistry. The question could be rephrased 'why/how does > anything exist?' - which is a natural continuation of the questions > scientists have been asking for a while. If

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-05 Thread Kim Jones
> On 6 Jan 2015, at 12:09 pm, LizR wrote: > > Sounds a bit like sophistry. The question could be rephrased 'why/how does > anything exist?' - which is a natural continuation of the questions > scientists have been asking for a while. If you aren't interested in why and > how things work,

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-05 Thread LizR
Sounds a bit like sophistry. The question could be rephrased 'why/how does anything exist?' - which is a natural continuation of the questions scientists have been asking for a while. If you aren't interested in why and how things work, then don't bother to do science. "Why is there something rath

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-05 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: meekerdb To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? On 1/5/2015 3:50 PM, LizR wrote: Eternal inflation seems to assume there is something because "

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-05 Thread meekerdb
On 1/5/2015 3:50 PM, LizR wrote: Eternal inflation seems to assume there is something because "there has always been something". However if so, it sidesteps the underlying issue - why is there this (eternal) something? The question itself - and any attempted answer - can't be answered causally.

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-05 Thread LizR
Eternal inflation seems to assume there is something because "there has always been something". However if so, it sidesteps the underlying issue - why is there this (eternal) something? The question itself - and any attempted answer - can't be answered causally. -- You received this message becau

Least Action, Dijkstra and Locality

2015-01-05 Thread José Ignacio
I am a computer scientist, I was wondering how General Relavity or motion on EM fields can be modelled using discrete complex networks (ie. graphs) including only local interactions. For example we can model discrete local graph contraction on presence of mass or electric charge, and we can co

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-05 Thread meekerdb
On 1/5/2015 11:24 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *meekerdb *Sent:* Monday, January 05, 2015 10:55 AM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Why is there something

Re: Democracy

2015-01-05 Thread Kim Jones
On 6 Jan 2015, at 6:06 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> But surely, The False exists? > > False proposition exists, but, well, thanks to God, they are not true, and > thus not realized in any reality. > > But in the cul-de-sac world, false is "necessary", which still does not lead > you to mee

RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-05 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 10:55 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? On 1/5/2015 1:0

Re: Democracy

2015-01-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Jan 2015, at 06:04, Kim Jones wrote: On 5 Jan 2015, at 2:57 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Jan 2015, at 00:30, Kim Jones wrote: On 4 Jan 2015, at 2:47 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: But this "fearing of God" is a mystery to me. God should be good. Only the devil should be feared.

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-05 Thread meekerdb
On 1/5/2015 1:07 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: 0={0} and then onward to: 0={0}= {0}+{0} = {{0}, {0}+{0}} etc. There's your problem: "etc" Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-05 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 Russell Standish wrote: > My personal opinion is that measured values are constrained to be > rational If that is true (and it may be) and if mathematics is a language and the irrational numbers play no role in physics then perhaps they are a fantasy, the equivalent of a Ha

Re: Democracy

2015-01-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Jan 2015, at 05:52, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 3:04 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/3/2015 4:15 PM, PGC wrote: with the latter ultimately escaping our capacity to sort and analyze. You mean their assertion of that is clear. It's begging the question t

Re: Evolution of pro-social religions

2015-01-05 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I know that the mere notion of human sacrifices as the cornerstone of every society inspire horror to modern men and they don´t dare to consider it. And yet the conclusion is unescapable. That explain a lot about the modernity. If you dismiss organizeed religion and his altar of sacrifices, then e

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2015-01-05 Thread zibblequibble
On Sunday, January 4, 2015 10:03:25 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > By your post, it seems you do not believe in a primary biological >> reality or even a chemical universe. >> > > I don't know, give me some examples of "a primary biological realit

Re: S=0

2015-01-05 Thread zibblequibble
On Monday, January 5, 2015 7:13:54 AM UTC, cdemorsella wrote: > > Russell ~ nicely summed up [is there a pun in what I just said?] I like > that subtle meta information that the sum entirety of all information of > everything is all on the left hand of an equation with no information in it > a

Re: Democracy

2015-01-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Jan 2015, at 22:55, John Mikes wrote: I published several times on various lists - including this one - my stance about that OXYMORON 'democracy' called so because the 'demos' (i.e. all of us) cannot exercise 'kratos' (governing power) to everyone's satisfaction in the variety we re

Re: Democracy

2015-01-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Jan 2015, at 19:54, meekerdb wrote: On 1/4/2015 7:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: "You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." - Anne Lamott Good point. Of course today we know that God has created

Re: Evolution of pro-social religions

2015-01-05 Thread zibblequibble
On Sunday, January 4, 2015 2:22:06 AM UTC, Kim Jones wrote: > > > > Why would you recommend others read something you have not? You don't see > that as being just a little strange? > I don't do that that I can remember. I doubt I would ever bother. But what exactly 'reading' involves and how

Re: S=0

2015-01-05 Thread LizR
"Nothing doing" might sum up what's going on. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this gr

RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-05 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Standish Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 11:38 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to

RE: S=0

2015-01-05 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kim Jones Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 12:25 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: S=0 > On 5 Jan 2015, at 6:13 pm, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List

RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-05 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 8:47 PM Chris, I have nothing important to say! :-) Nothing and something are kind of good areas for puns, double entendres and jokes. After all, Jerry Seinfeld

Re: S=0

2015-01-05 Thread Kim Jones
> On 5 Jan 2015, at 6:13 pm, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List > wrote: > > For me the crux has always also been how does anything at all emerge from an > all-encompassing universal nothingness. Well, you've read Larry Krauss on this by now for the Aristotelian theologic good oil. Lar