Re: The MGA revisited

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 7:32 AM, Russell Standish wrote: > On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 05:17:00AM +0200, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Russell Standish > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I have always disagreed with this. The movie+broken gates is still a > > > computatio

RE: [SPAM]Re: Economic inequality

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:26 PM To: EveryThing Subject: [SPAM]Re: Economic inequality The SciAm article doesn't even begin to describe how great the inequality is. Like most sta

Re: The MGA revisited

On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 05:17:00AM +0200, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Russell Standish > wrote: > > > > > I have always disagreed with this. The movie+broken gates is still a > > computation, just a rather simple one. Playing a movie in (eg) > > SMPlayer is st

Re: Economic inequality

Notice it started to go up around the Reagan-Thatcher era, when the rich decided they were scared by the freedom of the swinging sixties and that it was time to return to Victorian values. Which we've practically returned to, by the looks of that graph. By the way, SciAm have something possibly ev

Re: Economic inequality

The SciAm article doesn't even begin to describe how great the inequality is. Like most statistical presentations it divides the population into quintiles. But that hides the fact that is not the to 20 to 1 percentile that hold the wealth, it is the tope 1% and even just the top 0.1% http

Re: The MGA revisited

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Russell Standish wrote: > On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 07:28:51AM +0100, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > The ab asurdo is showing computationalism is incompatible with physical > > supervenience, not that it is true. In the end by being forced to accept > > consciousness

Re: The MGA revisited

meekerdb wrote: Bruno's theory may fair better with a Quantum Bayesian interpretation than with MWI, since he hopes to take conscious states as more fundamental and derive the physics. It would lead to idealism instead of Platonism. I know the typo was unintentional, but it amuses me to th

Re: The MGA revisited

On 3/31/2015 6:58 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 31 Mar 2015, at 07:17, Bruce Kellett wrote: So I would reject the computationalist program right at the start -- I would not say "Yes, doctor" to that sort of AI program. Nor do I. That is why I say that my definition of com

Re: The MGA revisited

LizR wrote: Russell, I think your argument would be stronger if you said that playing a movie through a projector is still a computation, albeit a simple one. Obviously playing a movie in a media player on a computer involves computation, but I can't see how that's relevant to the MGA - a med

Re: The MGA revisited

On 3/31/2015 6:57 PM, LizR wrote: Russell, I think your argument would be stronger if you said that playing a movie through a projector is still a computation, albeit a simple one. Obviously playing a movie in a media player on a computer involves computation, but I can't see how that's releva

Economic inequality

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/economic-inequality-it-s-far-worse-than-you-think/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+u

Re: The MGA revisited

Russell, I think your argument would be stronger if you said that playing a movie through a projector is still a computation, albeit a simple one. Obviously playing a movie in a media player on a computer involves computation, but I can't see how that's relevant to the MGA - a media player clearly

Re: The MGA revisited

Bruno Marchal wrote: On 31 Mar 2015, at 07:17, Bruce Kellett wrote: So I would reject the computationalist program right at the start -- I would not say "Yes, doctor" to that sort of AI program. Nor do I. That is why I say that my definition of computationalism is weaker than most in the li

Re: The MGA revisited

On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 07:28:51AM +0100, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > The ab asurdo is showing computationalism is incompatible with physical > supervenience, not that it is true. In the end by being forced to accept > consciousness must supervene on the movie + broken gate... If you believe > it,

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

As mentioned in another thread, the media have (as it were) blown the Islamic threat up out of all proportion. Climate change is a FAR greater threat to civilisation than ISIS will ever be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To u

Re: The MGA revisited

On 1 April 2015 at 03:58, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 30 Mar 2015, at 02:57, LizR wrote: > > On 29 March 2015 at 21:04, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> >> As you see, I believe in physicalism, not in Platonia. And I have not yet >> seen any argument that might lead me to change my mind. > > > One re

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

I hope that isn't an April Fool! Well, this isn't rocket science... In 2013, it was more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a > terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon > bombing, while toddlers killed five, all by accidentally shooting a gun.

Re: The MGA revisited

Bruno Marchal wrote: On 31 Mar 2015, at 07:42, Bruce Kellett wrote: In a phrase I have used before, It did not spring forth fully armed, like Athena from Zeus's brow. Numbers were a hard-won abstraction from everyday physical reality. They do not have any independent existence. In which theo

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

From: John Clark To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 3:01 PM Subject: Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close! On Tue, Mar 31, 2015  'Chris de Morsella' wrote:  http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-no

Re: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' wrote: > > http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html > > “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.” How > many times have you heard that one? Once. > Why don’t we see

Geenralised game playing

I hadn't come across this before. Another step towards AIhood... General game players are computer systems able to play strategy games based > solely on formal game descriptions supplied at "runtime". (In other words, > they don't know the rules until the game starts.) Unlike specialized game >

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

Friends, you ALL are bugged down into 2nd rate argumentation. Russell had the only straight thought in his 2nd post so far (But his ideas come from Down Under...). We are in a fatal struggle facing every advancement (??) we made (and I speak in the name of the so called 'western civilisation') ove

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

From: spudboy100 via Everything List It's simple if you won't accept the perfidies of the Islamist nations/regions and their shariah laws, while viewing the US as the height of evil deeds in the world, there is no bridging this. I don't make up the verifiable truth and really that's all

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

On 3/31/2015 3:55 AM, LizR wrote: On 31 March 2015 at 23:31, Telmo Menezes > wrote: Hi Liz, You may be right. I am surely not going to debate that there are a lot of people who were lucky enough to have been born in optimal conditions and feel superio

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

It's simple if you won't accept the perfidies of the Islamist nations/regions and their shariah laws, while viewing the US as the height of evil deeds in the world, there is no bridging this. I don't make up the verifiable truth and really that's all folks, as Porky would frequently say. So now

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

On 3/31/2015 3:31 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Liz, You may be right. I am surely not going to debate that there are a lot of people who were lucky enough to have been born in optimal conditions and feel superior to people who were just less lucky. For this reason, they will support ideas that

Re: The MGA revisited

On 31 Mar 2015, at 07:42, Bruce Kellett wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Mar 2015, at 10:04, Bruce Kellett wrote: OK. If all the connections and inputs remain intact, and the digital simulation is accurate, I don't see a problem. But I might object if the doctor plans to replace my brai

Re: The MGA revisited

On 31 Mar 2015, at 07:19, meekerdb wrote: On 3/30/2015 10:17 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: meekerdb wrote: On 3/28/2015 11:36 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: Bruno has acknowledged that this is not what the MGA shows. MGA simply shows that his version of computationalism is incompatible with physic

RE: Are all terrorrists Muslim? Not even close!

Regarding the subject of terrorism here is an eye opening article that quantifies it and gives a different perspective on it than is usually presented in the military industrial complex owned mass media. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-eve

RE: Life in the Islamic State for women

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:31 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Life in the Islamic State for women I feel you are too harsh on your own homeland, Chris, and Israel for that matter.

RE: Life in the Islamic State for women

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 7:16 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Life in the Islamic State for women Quentin, sometime its who you are silent about that is an indictment. For example

Re: The MGA revisited

On 31 Mar 2015, at 07:17, Bruce Kellett wrote: meekerdb wrote: On 3/28/2015 11:36 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: Bruno has acknowledged that this is not what the MGA shows. MGA simply shows that his version of computationalism is incompatible with physical supervenience. This cannot be seen as

Re: Where does the UTM comes from? (Was Re: Something from nothing -- my attempt of derivation of a UTM.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 LizR wrote: > There is a "recording" of your life experience and mine in pi, and also > in e . > Yes. > > What breathes fire into the recordings? > I have 2 ideas about that but it's pure speculation and I'm probably talking Bullshit: 1) There is certainly a relationshi

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

I feel you are too harsh on your own homeland, Chris, and Israel for that matter. You see our flaws and evils quite profoundly, but are lenient upon the varieties of jihadists abroad in the world today. Can I convince you of this, no, I positively suck as a salesman, an agitprop, a peddler. You

RE: Life in the Islamic State for women

-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Standish Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 9:23 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Life in the Islamic State for women On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 07:04:10AM

Re: Something from nothing -- my attempt of derivation of a UTM.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 LizR wrote: > it isn't the empty box that is nothing, it's the contents of the box > The contents of the box is a vacuum and that is far from nothing, it's seething with virtual particles. > > I don't see that talking about nothingness renders it into something. > The o

Re: The MGA revisited

On Wednesday, April 1, 2015, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 30 Mar 2015, at 22:28, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, March 31, 2015, Bruno Marchal > wrote: > >> >> On 30 Mar 2015, at 10:06, LizR wrote: >> >> On 30 March 2015 at 19:26, Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> Fading qualia

Re: The MGA revisited

On 30 Mar 2015, at 23:05, LizR wrote: On 31 March 2015 at 09:28, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Tuesday, March 31, 2015, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Mar 2015, at 10:06, LizR wrote: On 30 March 2015 at 19:26, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Fading qualia in the setting of normal behaviour, if

Re: The MGA revisited

On 30 Mar 2015, at 22:28, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Tuesday, March 31, 2015, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Mar 2015, at 10:06, LizR wrote: On 30 March 2015 at 19:26, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Fading qualia in the setting of normal behaviour, if logically possible, would destroy the c

Re: The MGA revisited

On 30 Mar 2015, at 13:31, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Best guess on my part. Platonia produces physicalism Well, you mean produces the appearance of a physical world (not: the appearance that a physical world explains everything!) , via constant computation {unproven} No,

Re: The MGA revisited

On 30 Mar 2015, at 02:57, LizR wrote: On 29 March 2015 at 21:04, Bruce Kellett wrote: As you see, I believe in physicalism, not in Platonia. And I have not yet seen any argument that might lead me to change my mind. One reason that has been suggested is the "unreasonable effectiveness

Re: The MGA revisited

On 29 Mar 2015, at 21:25, meekerdb wrote: On 3/29/2015 1:33 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le 29 mars 2015 09:03, "Bruce Kellett" a écrit : > > meekerdb wrote: >> >> On 3/28/2015 11:54 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> >>> meekerdb wrote: On 3/28/2015 11:02 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

Quentin, sometime its who you are silent about that is an indictment. For example, during the Vietnam conflict, there were mass demonstrations against the war. The leaders of the antiwar movement were never pacifists, but sided with the communists, and especially what the soviets wanted. They ne

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-03-31 12:11 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes : > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Quentin Anciaux > wrote: > >> >> >> 2015-03-31 10:37 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes : >> >>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:23 AM, Russell Standish >> > wrote: >>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 07:04:10AM -0400, spudboy100 via

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

Russell, This is because academics, worldwide, tend toward the left, and they tend to it like a religion, but its more an ideology. An ideology being a faith movement. In the US, the academics (nominally all leftists) lean strongly in favor of islamists, worldwide. This could, in part, be tha

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

On 31 March 2015 at 23:31, Telmo Menezes wrote: > Hi Liz, > > You may be right. I am surely not going to debate that there are a lot of > people who were lucky enough to have been born in optimal conditions and > feel superior to people who were just less lucky. For this reason, they > will suppo

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

Hi Liz, You may be right. I am surely not going to debate that there are a lot of people who were lucky enough to have been born in optimal conditions and feel superior to people who were just less lucky. For this reason, they will support ideas that are just self-serving rationalizations. The pr

Re: The MGA revisited

On 3/30/2015 10:42 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > So prime numbers might exist_{math}, but they do not exist_{phys}. If we > keep this distinction clear we will avoid a lot of unnecessary confusion. > Dualism, eh? Yin and yang. Male and female. Maths and physics. Me and thee. Us and them. Gotta love

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

After enough online discussions in which I've been called a leftie for various reasons, I have come to the conclusion that someone calling you one means, roughly... That they have no sympathy for any of their fellow humans who might be unfortunate enough to be born into the wrong socio-economic gr

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > 2015-03-31 10:37 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes : > >> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:23 AM, Russell Standish >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 07:04:10AM -0400, spudboy100 via Everything List >>> wrote: >>> > Well, its not the new jihadi

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-03-31 10:37 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes : > On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:23 AM, Russell Standish > wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 07:04:10AM -0400, spudboy100 via Everything List >> wrote: >> > Well, its not the new jihadists I blame, but the (yes) leftist >> academics, politicians, and news t

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:23 AM, Russell Standish wrote: > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 07:04:10AM -0400, spudboy100 via Everything List > wrote: > > Well, its not the new jihadists I blame, but the (yes) leftist > academics, politicians, and news thugs, that have long, empowered, and made > excuses f