RE: A riddle for John Clark

2015-07-26 Thread chris peck
@ John >> ​In MWI "You" is the only thing that the laws of physics ​allow Quentin >> Anciaux to observe that is organized in a Johnkclarkian way ... With >> duplicating chamber stuff if the bet was "you will see Moscow" I don't know >> how to resolve the bet because I don't know who "you" is.

RE: A riddle for John Clark

2015-07-26 Thread chris peck
@ Bruno [John] >> >> Bruno Marchal​ is correct, that is not ambiguous, ​that is a flat out logical contradiction. [Bruno] >> Where? The problem arises because if "You" = "person who remembers Helsinki" then you ought to be able replace one for the other without truth values altering. Thats

Re: David Deutsch and Constructor Theory

2015-07-26 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 06:26:05PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > >I am a computationalist, myself, (a.k.a Digitalist), and like this > >sort of thing, but, ...meh! I don't see how this work informs us? > > Deutsch seems to be not aware that if computationalism is true, then > the existence o

Re: First person plural

2015-07-26 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: > > ​>> ​ > "you" always denotes the guy who remember pushing the button at Helsinki. > ​ > > > ​> ​ > That is actually a pretty good definition of "you" in that it's similar > to the intuitive feeling we have for the pronoun that we get from > everyday

Re: David Deutsch and Constructor Theory

2015-07-26 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
I understand the need and curiosity to finally know what is true. This is what draws the brightest people to science and math. They like uncovering, in a Platonic manner, and testing it, in an Aristotelian manner. We must not confuse the serach of truth, with the search of benefice for humans.

Re: David Deutsch and Constructor Theory

2015-07-26 Thread meekerdb
On 7/26/2015 4:16 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: David Deutsch has some things to say which are relevant to discussions of computationalism. http://edge.org/conversation/constructor-theory "One of the first rather unexpected yields of this theory has been a new foundation for information theory. Th

Re: David Deutsch and Constructor Theory

2015-07-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 26 Jul 2015, at 14:48, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Heh! I have read Deutsches thesis on Constructor Theory a few times and I cannot really grasp it, intellectually, except as a spin-off of Von Newmann's cellular automata. That looks more like a critics of Wolfram. Deutch found

Re: David Deutsch and Constructor Theory

2015-07-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 26 Jul 2015, at 13:16, Bruce Kellett wrote: David Deutsch has some things to say which are relevant to discussions of computationalism. http://edge.org/conversation/constructor-theory "One of the first rather unexpected yields of this theory has been a new foundation for information th

Re: Weyl Fermions

2015-07-26 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Ah! So you want us to invest in Tantalum and Niobium stocks? -Original Message- From: John Clark To: everything-list Sent: Sat, Jul 25, 2015 1:43 pm Subject: Weyl Fermions I have a hunch​that in the near future ​ we'll be hearing a lot more about Weyl Fermio

Re: David Deutsch and Constructor Theory

2015-07-26 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Heh! I have read Deutsches thesis on Constructor Theory a few times and I cannot really grasp it, intellectually, except as a spin-off of Von Newmann's cellular automata. Save, that it applies at a cosmological level, rather then a mathematical sense, or on a Conway's Life computer screen. I don

David Deutsch and Constructor Theory

2015-07-26 Thread Bruce Kellett
David Deutsch has some things to say which are relevant to discussions of computationalism. http://edge.org/conversation/constructor-theory "One of the first rather unexpected yields of this theory has been a new foundation for information theory. There's a notorious problem with defining inf

Re: First person plural

2015-07-26 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Bruno, don't bother, he will not understand, because he already does, and he will never admit it, because he's a troll. Case closed, ignore him, he won't go from this list, seems to joyful for him, so the only way is to ignore him. Quentin 2015-07-26 11:58 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal : > > On 25 Jul

Re: First person plural

2015-07-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Jul 2015, at 22:38, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: ​> ​Please, quote the whole text I wrote ​No. Anybody who wants to read everything you wrote can find it in about .9 seconds, they don't need me.​ It is the answer to them that we ask for. ​> ​"you