Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-08-07 Thread Pierz
On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 5:09:49 AM UTC+10, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Pierz > > wrote: > >> > ​> ​ >> My point isn't that MWI is true. My point is you understand it and how it >> leads to the appearance of indeterminacy in a completely determined system. >> ​ ​

Re: The Mental Being

2015-08-07 Thread Samiya Illias
> On 07-Aug-2015, at 9:46 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > >> On 07 Aug 2015, at 05:54, Samiya Illias wrote: >> >> Bruno, >> I'm reading R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz. In the Introduction to A Study of >> Numbers, they quote his last words. It reminds me of your salvia beings. >> Thought the attach

Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-08-07 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 smitra wrote: ​> ​ > You can just define personal identity as a single observer moment, which > includes any memories of the outcomes of the duplication experiments, so > the string of the "W"'s and "M"'should be included in the definition of > "you". > ​OK​. ​> ​ > But the

Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-08-07 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Pierz wrote: > ​> ​ > My point isn't that MWI is true. My point is you understand it and how it > leads to the appearance of indeterminacy in a completely determined system. > ​ ​ > Indeterminacy is a 1-p illusion > ​It's either an illusion or it is not​ ​and pee

Re: The Mental Being

2015-08-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Aug 2015, at 05:54, Samiya Illias wrote: Bruno, I'm reading R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz. In the Introduction to A Study of Numbers, they quote his last words. It reminds me of your salvia beings. Thought the attached might be of interest to you. Regards, Samiya Nice quote Samya. I lo

Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-08-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Aug 2015, at 19:23, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 5:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>>> ​the nuance is not in the name or in the pronouns, but in the 1p/3p difference, or in the 1-1p/3-1p difference. ​>> ​​In a world with people duplicating machines ​what exactly is the dif

Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-08-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Aug 2015, at 02:59, Pierz wrote: On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 8:06:31 PM UTC+10, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Aug 2015, at 02:39, Pierz wrote: > Mein Gott, this argument reminds me of the fire in Siberia that > started burning in the Holocene and is still going. Why do you keep > taki

Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-08-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Aug 2015, at 19:38, smitra wrote: You can just define personal identity as a single observer moment, That is dangerous talk, but i see what you mean. which includes any memories of the outcomes of the duplication experiments, so the string of the "W"'s and "M"'should be included i

Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-08-07 Thread Pierz
On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 1:41:51 PM UTC+10, chris peck wrote: > > @ Pierz > > >> If he refuses to > > acknowledge MWI as a valid account due to his pronoun concerns, then > > fine, maybe he should publish a refutation of Everett to that > > effect. > > but isn't John's point that pro-n