Re: Aaronson/Penrose

2016-09-10 Thread agrayson2000
On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 11:43:55 AM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 1:45:56 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 09 Sep 2016, at 19:14, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 10:38:55 AM UTC-6, Bruno

Re: A question for Bruno

2016-09-10 Thread Brent Meeker
In the UD model of the world, time as we perceive it, is emergent. The "execution" of the program is timeless and exists in Platonia. So the steps of the UD have no duration, they are logically prior to time and duration. On the other hand, I think so called "observer moments" must have

Re: Non-Evolutionary Superintelligences Do Nothing, Eventually

2016-09-10 Thread Brent Meeker
Good paper. Many of the thoughts I've had about the subject too. But I think your use of persistence is misleading. There are different ways to persist. Bacteria persist, mountains persist - but very differently. The AI that people worry about is one that modifies it's utility function to

Re: Aaronson/Penrose

2016-09-10 Thread agrayson2000
On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 1:45:56 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 09 Sep 2016, at 19:14, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 10:38:55 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 09 Sep 2016, at 16:08, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On

Re: Non-Evolutionary Superintelligences Do Nothing, Eventually

2016-09-10 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: ​> > published this working paper on arxiv, same title as this email: > ​ ​ > http://arxiv.org/abs/1609.02009 > ​ ​ > ​ > Criticisms most welcome!​ *​This may have some bearing on what you're saying, ​more than

Re: A question for Bruno

2016-09-10 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi, Is there any consideration of the duration of the period of time of the moment? Are they assumed to have vanishingly small durations? On Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 7:44:16 PM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 11:38 PM, Charles Goodwin > wrote:

Non-Evolutionary Superintelligences Do Nothing, Eventually

2016-09-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi everyone, I published this working paper on arxiv, same title as this email: http://arxiv.org/abs/1609.02009 Criticisms most welcome! Best, Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: Aaronson/Penrose

2016-09-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Sep 2016, at 19:14, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 10:38:55 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Sep 2016, at 16:08, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 7:56:27 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 7:46 AM,