Re: A question for Bruno

2016-09-13 Thread Brent Meeker
On 9/13/2016 6:25 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 14/09/2016 10:13 am, Brent Meeker wrote: On 9/13/2016 7:22 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Sunday, 11 September 2016, Brent Meeker wrote: In the UD model of the world, time as we perceive it, is emergent. The

Re: A question for Bruno

2016-09-13 Thread Bruce Kellett
On 14/09/2016 11:24 am, Stephen Paul King wrote: "...an "observer moment" or a "thought" are infinitely many threads and there is no reference by which you can define cutting them all at "the same time"." I agree that there is no natural preference for a basis of the threads, but ISTM that

Re: A question for Bruno

2016-09-13 Thread Bruce Kellett
On 14/09/2016 10:13 am, Brent Meeker wrote: On 9/13/2016 7:22 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Sunday, 11 September 2016, Brent Meeker wrote: In the UD model of the world, time as we perceive it, is emergent. The "execution" of the program is timeless and

Re: A question for Bruno

2016-09-13 Thread Stephen Paul King
"...an "observer moment" or a "thought" are infinitely many threads and there is no reference by which you can define cutting them all at "the same time"." I agree that there is no natural preference for a basis of the threads, but ISTM that each Intelligence has its very own basis of biases

Fwd: escalating citations

2016-09-13 Thread Brent Meeker
"I was tired of having to find citations for every claim I made" http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/citation-needed I'll bet lawyers would like one too. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this

Re: A question for Bruno

2016-09-13 Thread Brent Meeker
On 9/13/2016 7:22 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Sunday, 11 September 2016, Brent Meeker wrote: In the UD model of the world, time as we perceive it, is emergent. The "execution" of the program is timeless and exists in Platonia. So the steps of the

Re: Non-Evolutionary Superintelligences Do Nothing, Eventually

2016-09-13 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 Telmo Menezes wrote: ​> ​ > In my "designed superintelligence" scenario, the entity is confronted > ​ > ​ w​ > ith a protection mechanism that was conceived by a lesser > intelligence. ​Yes, the most recent iteration of the Jupiter Brain was

Re: A question for Bruno

2016-09-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Sep 2016, at 16:22, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Sunday, 11 September 2016, Brent Meeker wrote: In the UD model of the world, time as we perceive it, is emergent. The "execution" of the program is timeless and exists in Platonia. So the steps of the UD

Re: Non-Evolutionary Superintelligences Do Nothing, Eventually

2016-09-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Sep 2016, at 11:47, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:00 AM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 Telmo Menezes wrote: We know that humans are capable of choosing self-destruction. It is also obvious that most don't

Re: Aaronson/Penrose

2016-09-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Sep 2016, at 00:46, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: [SNIP] On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 2:14:18 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Sep 2016, at 20:48, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: You create them by virtue of what you DO, say in an experiment. Or do you back off from

Re: A question for Bruno

2016-09-13 Thread Stephen Paul King
Not to rehash an old chestnut, but can a bit dance on an infinitesimal? On Sep 13, 2016 10:22 AM, "Stathis Papaioannou" wrote: > > > On Sunday, 11 September 2016, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> In the UD model of the world, time as we perceive it, is

A question for Bruno

2016-09-13 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Sunday, 11 September 2016, Brent Meeker wrote: > In the UD model of the world, time as we perceive it, is emergent. The > "execution" of the program is timeless and exists in Platonia. So the > steps of the UD have no duration, they are logically prior to time and >

Re: Non-Evolutionary Superintelligences Do Nothing, Eventually

2016-09-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:00 AM, John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> > >> We know that humans are capable of choosing self-destruction. It is >> also obvious that most don't > > > I would argue that given the proper

Re: Non-Evolutionary Superintelligences Do Nothing, Eventually

2016-09-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 1:15 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 9/12/2016 3:00 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 8:37 PM, Brent Meeker >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 9/12/2016 8:50 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at