Re: The Weirdening

2016-12-28 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Thanks, Professor! Yeah, robot building comes first. Clamming up in academia, according to some, academics, seems a wise idea, from a peace of mind p.o.v. I am suspecting that A.I., Mr. and Mrs. Robot are the next phase in human evolution, in the sense of mitochondria and bacteria merged. A good

Re: An invisible fuzzy amoral mindless blob, aka God

2016-12-28 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Ah another Koan from Master, Handey! ""They say that a little piece of God dwells with everyone. Well, that true, I hope He likes enchiladas, because that's what he's getting tonight." -Original Message- From: John Clark To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Dec 27, 2016 10:39 pm Subject: Re

Re: No gravity / no dark matter

2016-12-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Dec 2016, at 16:35, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Publish, please. OK. My view is that Digital Mechanism (an assumption in cognitive science, not physics) is very plausible, even if the consequences are strange, given that the observations lead to the same kind of weirdness

Re: An invisible fuzzy amoral mindless blob, aka God

2016-12-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Dec 2016, at 20:11, Brent Meeker wrote: On 12/27/2016 6:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Dec 2016, at 18:08, Brent Meeker wrote: On 12/26/2016 4:39 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I have made it clear in posts and papers that the God of the machine is Arithmetical Truth... .. And spe

Re: An invisible fuzzy amoral mindless blob, aka God

2016-12-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Dec 2016, at 20:31, Brent Meeker wrote: On 12/27/2016 10:42 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Dec 2016, at 20:18, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 7:39 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>> ​ Well... at least atheists have some notation in mind when they use the word ​ ​ [God]​ .

Re: The Weirdening

2016-12-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Dec 2016, at 00:54, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Dec 2016, at 12:03, Telmo Menezes wrote: I take a break from the god-wars to propose an idea that I have been thinking about. This is probably both silly and unoriginal, but here it

Re: An invisible fuzzy amoral mindless blob, aka God

2016-12-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Dec 2016, at 08:08, Brent Meeker wrote: On 12/27/2016 4:18 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: John, isn't there a Buddhist saying by the Buddha, "If the Buddha stands in your path (spiritual) strike him down"? Brent Yes, another koan zen or buddhist say that we have

Re: The Weirdening

2016-12-28 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/27/2016 11:34 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: Exactly so. Once we can engineer robots to act with human like intelligence, questions about consciousness will be seen as either meaningless or "the wrong question". I think it is very unlikel

Re: The Weirdening

2016-12-28 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/27/2016 11:39 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 12/27/2016 3:40 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: Although your evolution may be statistically improbable, mostly at the biochemical level, ther

Re: No gravity / no dark matter

2016-12-28 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
sane04 paper? I will look it up. 88 was almost 29 years ago. Gad! How the time flies. -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list Sent: Wed, Dec 28, 2016 12:00 pm Subject: Re: No gravity / no dark matter On 27 Dec 2016, at 16:35, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote

Re: An invisible fuzzy amoral mindless blob, aka God

2016-12-28 Thread John Mikes
Brent I do not intend to participate in the discussion of this topic fpr more than one reason: 1. I am agnostic, so I just DO NOT KNOW what (who?) that "GOD" may be. 1,A: is God a PERSON? (Or: many persons?) 1.B a Force - a Complexity - a System (etc.) or the like? 1,C Did He/She/It orig

Re: An invisible fuzzy amoral mindless blob, aka God

2016-12-28 Thread Torgny Tholerus
On 2016-12-28 23:56, John Mikes wrote: I do not intend to participate in the discussion of this topic fpr more than one reason: 1. I am agnostic, so I just DO NOT KNOW what (who?) that "GOD" may be. *You just have to ask God what she is. Then she will answer. But it may take two years to