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From: John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 27, 2016 3:36 pm
Subject: Re: An invisible fuzzy amoral mindless blob, aka God
On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
wrote:
> My God, as you call it, is a testable theory, since physics
is derived from a internal modal variant of self-reference. I
derived formally a quantum logic, and explained informally how we
get the statistical interference.
A derivation using dozens of pronouns that either have no clear
referent or are logically contradictory. But I believe we may have
been through this before.
> the Aristotelian theology fails.
To hell with the ancient Greeks!
> God is used in the philosophers sense: the primary cause,
The primary cause may be attached to the word "God",
but we both know that is not the only attachment, so is "a being
who can think".
> which is the god of the platonist.
To hell with the ancient Greeks!
> You talk like if scientists have solved the problem, but it
has not.
You talk as if theologians have solved the problem, but they have
not.
> (either Plato's God, or even Pythagoras" God
To hell with the ancient Greeks!
> In theology, the greeks were
To hell with the ancient Greeks!
> Don't confuse the first god of Aristotle (usually called
God), the second God of Aristotle . (Primary Matter), the god
of Plato (first principle) and the god of Pythagoras (the natural
numbers).
OK I won't confuse it, and I'll avoid confusion by ignoring
both. To hell with the ancient Greeks!
> two beers in the fridge is not rsponsible for the numbers 2
to exist physically, and here
If there were nobody around to think about the number 2 and if
there were not 2 of anything in the entire physical universe, then
would the number 2 exist? And if it did, how would things be
different if it didn't?
> you beg the question by assuming the second god of
Aristotle.
To hell with the ancient Greeks!
> It is the favorite gods of the catholics.
I'll say this for the catholics, their view of God is clear,
clearly wrong but clear nevertheless. Your view of God isn't even
wrong.
> The correct arithmetical relations implements all
computations
And all correct computations need matter that obeys the
laws of physics. For some reason I'm feeling Deja Vu right now, I
can't imagine why.
> Nobody is interested in 2+2=5.
Well you sure as hell better be interested in incorrect
calculations if you want to avoid them! So I ask yet again , how
can you, how can even God separate correct numerical relations from
incorrect ones without the help of matter that obeys the laws of
physics? You can't do it I can't do it and God can't do it.
> With mechanism, we have the good theory of consciousness,
Everybody has a theory on consciousness and none of them are
worth a damn, I'd be much more interested in a
theory of intelligence.
>> God must be able to think or the word becomes a joke.
> That shows only how much you take for granted the
brainwashing of the clericals.
Well, I may be brainwashed but according to you I'm smarter
than God because I can think and God can't.
> You Sir, are more catholic than the Pope,
Wow, calling a guy known for disliking religion religious, never
heard that one before, at least I never heard it before I was 12.
John K Clark
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