Re: Interpretive cards (MWI, Bohm, Copenhagen: collect ’em all)

Great discussion. Thanks for posting it. Much of it above my head. But I take solace in the observation that it's above the head of the participants as well! AG On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 3:30:04 PM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: > > Scott Aaronson has an interesting blog entry on quantum interpretati

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 9:02:34 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/18/2018 7:32 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 8:24:40 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/18/2018 9:58 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On 2/18/2018 7:48 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 8:37:44 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/18/2018 12:19 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 12:03:28 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/18/2018 5:05 AM, agrays...@gmail.

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On 2/18/2018 7:41 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 8:35:59 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/18/2018 12:15 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 12:09:37 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/18/2018 6:11 AM, Lawrence Crowell

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On 2/18/2018 7:32 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 8:24:40 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/18/2018 9:58 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:54:58 AM UTC-7, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 1

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On 2/18/2018 6:26 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: Computers such as AlphaGo have complex algorithms for taking the rules of a game like chess and running through long Markov chains of game events to increase their data base for playing the game. There is not really anything about "knowing somethi

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 8:37:44 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/18/2018 12:19 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 12:03:28 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/18/2018 5:05 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, February 18, 2018

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 8:35:59 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/18/2018 12:15 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 12:09:37 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/18/2018 6:11 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:25:0

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On 2/18/2018 12:46 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: One thing a computer can not do is ask a question. I can ask a question and program a computer to help solve the problem. In fact I am doing a program to do just this. I am working a computer program to model aspects of gravitatio

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On 2/18/2018 12:19 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 12:03:28 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/18/2018 5:05 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 12:34:47 AM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/17/2018 10:28 PM, agrays...@gmai

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On 2/18/2018 12:15 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 12:09:37 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/18/2018 6:11 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:25:07 AM UTC-6, Russell Standish wrote: On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 05:19:2

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 8:24:40 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/18/2018 9:58 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:54:58 AM UTC-7, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 7:11:38 AM UTC-7, Lawrence Crowell wrote:

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On 2/18/2018 9:58 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:54:58 AM UTC-7, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 7:11:38 AM UTC-7, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:25:07 AM UTC-6, Russell S

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

Computers such as AlphaGo have complex algorithms for taking the rules of a game like chess and running through long Markov chains of game events to increase their data base for playing the game. There is not really anything about "knowing something" going on here. There is a lot of hype over AI

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 7:51 PM, Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: *​> ​That is a canned. It is only a question because we recognize it as > such, not because the computer somehow knows that.* > How would the computer behave differently if is did ​ ​"​ somehow knows that

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 3:15 PM, wrote: > It can only do what it has been programmed to do. I can't act independent > of its program > ​ Suppose you know ​ absolutely nothing about Chess, you're not given a teacher, you ​ are not ​ even given a book on Chess, all you're given is is a short pamp

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 5:26:04 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Lawrence Crowell < > goldenfield...@gmail.com > wrote: > > *​> ​One thing a computer can not do is ask a question.* >> > > You've never had a computer ask you what your password is? > > ​John K

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 1:46:55 PM UTC-7, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 1:09:37 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/18/2018 6:11 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:25:07 AM UTC-6, Russell Standish wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, F

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: *​> ​One thing a computer can not do is ask a question.* > You've never had a computer ask you what your password is? ​John K Clark​ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Googl

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 1:43 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >>> ​>>​ >>> mind does not come out of the brain >> >> > ​>> ​ >> Then why does changing the brain change the mind > > > ​> ​ > Because the (conscious) mind comes from the relation between the brain and > truth > ​OK, but then how do you fi

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 1:09:37 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/18/2018 6:11 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:25:07 AM UTC-6, Russell Standish wrote: >> >> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 05:19:22PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: >> > >> > >> > On 2/17/2018 4:58

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 9:57:37 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 10 Feb 2018, at 14:29, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 8:05:09 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 5:58:04 PM UTC-7, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 12:03:28 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/18/2018 5:05 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 12:34:47 AM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/17/2018 10:28 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, February 17, 20

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 12:09:37 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/18/2018 6:11 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:25:07 AM UTC-6, Russell Standish wrote: >> >> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 05:19:22PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: >> > >> > >> > On 2/17/2018 4

Re: What falsifiability tests has computationalism passed?

> On 1 Jan 2018, at 18:31, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > ​> ​The strong AI thesis is that such machine would be conscious > > ​Where is the world did you get that idea? The term "strong AI thesis" was > invented by

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On 2/18/2018 6:11 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:25:07 AM UTC-6, Russell Standish wrote: On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 05:19:22PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 2/17/2018 4:58 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > But what is the criterion when A

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On 2/18/2018 5:05 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 12:34:47 AM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/17/2018 10:28 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 10:50:13 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/17/2018 5:44 PM, agrays...@gma

Re: What falsifiability tests has computationalism passed?

> On 28 Dec 2017, at 17:09, John Clark wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 9:35 AM, Telmo Menezes > wro​te​ > > ​> ​If you read your own email, you will see that the definition that you > give is not the same as the ones you quote. > > > ​I said:​ > > ​"​C

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

> On 13 Feb 2018, at 19:03, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 12:33 PM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > ​> ​mind does not come out of the brain > > ​Then why does changing the brain change the mind Because the (conscious) mind comes from the relation b

INDEXICAL Computationalism

> On 27 Dec 2017, at 17:56, John Clark wrote: > > Computationalism is the idea that the brain is an​ ​information processing > system and that a computer​ ​can​ ​perform all the complex behaviors that > would be called intelligent if it were done by a human; That is a weak behaviouristic ver

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:54:58 AM UTC-7, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 7:11:38 AM UTC-7, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:25:07 AM UTC-6, Russell Standish wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 05:19:22PM -0800, Brent

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 7:11:38 AM UTC-7, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:25:07 AM UTC-6, Russell Standish wrote: >> >> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 05:19:22PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: >> > >> > >> > On 2/17/2018 4:58 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> > > Bu

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

> On 10 Feb 2018, at 14:29, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 8:05:09 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 5:58:04 PM UTC-7, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > It occurred to me a case of hard emergence. The outcome of a quantum > measur

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:25:07 AM UTC-6, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 05:19:22PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > > > On 2/17/2018 4:58 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > But what is the criterion when AI exceeds human intelligence? AG > > > > > > > https

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 12:34:47 AM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/17/2018 10:28 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 10:50:13 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/17/2018 5:44 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, February 17,

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 05:19:22PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 2/17/2018 4:58 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > But what is the criterion when AI exceeds human intelligence? AG > > > > https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-16/father-artificial-intelligence-singularity-less-30-years-