Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

2018-06-20 Thread Brent Meeker
On 6/20/2018 9:50 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 5:47 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 6/19/2018 8:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Most of these objections to CI are answered by decoherence theory. I have no clue

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

2018-06-20 Thread Brent Meeker
On 6/20/2018 9:48 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 5:24 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 6/19/2018 7:10 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:21 AM, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/18/2018

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

2018-06-20 Thread Bruce Kellett
From: *Jason Resch* mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:03 AM, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote: I find Baylock's exposition of counterfactual indefiniteness as applied in MWI quite opaque. He makes the argument needlessly complicated by

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

2018-06-20 Thread Brent Meeker
On 6/20/2018 9:42 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 6/19/2018 6:55 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:16 AM, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/18/2018

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

2018-06-20 Thread Brent Meeker
On 6/20/2018 9:41 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 5:14 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 6/19/2018 6:42 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/18/2018

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

2018-06-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 5:47 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 6/19/2018 8:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> Most of these objections to CI are answered by decoherence theory. >>> >> >> I have no clue how to interpret decoherence with a collapse theory. >> > > You use decoherence theory until you g

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

2018-06-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 5:24 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 6/19/2018 7:10 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:21 AM, Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 6/18/2018 4:27 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 9:57 PM, Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >>> >>>

Re: Primary matter

2018-06-20 Thread Brent Meeker
On 6/11/2018 8:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi Telmo, On 11 Jun 2018, at 13:53, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Bruno, Sorry for the delay, had a friend visiting. No problem. From tomorrow (Tuesday) to Friday, I have many oral exams (+ a conference in Nivelles, a city nearby). So take your tim

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

2018-06-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 6/19/2018 6:55 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:16 AM, Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 6/18/2018 4:09 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> It will take a lot of work under his approach, but I am not aware of any

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

2018-06-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 5:14 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 6/19/2018 6:42 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 6/18/2018 3:31 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> Block time plus MWI means universes aren't created, they're all already >>

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

2018-06-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:03 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > From: Jason Resch < jasonre...@gmail.com> > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:26 PM, Bruce Kellett < > bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >> From: Jason Resch > >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:38 AM, Bruce Kellett < >> bhkell...@optusnet.co

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-06-20 Thread Brent Meeker
On 6/20/2018 6:30 PM, smitra wrote: On 19-06-2018 23:22, Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/18/2018 6:03 PM, smitra wrote: On 17-06-2018 22:42, Jason Resch wrote: Hi Lawrence, Is the evolution of states of the wave function computable? If so then the result of MRDP implies it is Diophantine. Jason

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-06-20 Thread smitra
On 19-06-2018 23:22, Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/18/2018 6:03 PM, smitra wrote: On 17-06-2018 22:42, Jason Resch wrote: Hi Lawrence, Is the evolution of states of the wave function computable? If so then the result of MRDP implies it is Diophantine. Jason Or you could try to see if QM could

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

2018-06-20 Thread agrayson2000
On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 11:04:20 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 2:22 PM, > > wrote: > > *>I found an old version of my resume and gave you the exact references, >> which you found without my help.* > > > I have no idea what you're talking about. I looked and I coul

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-06-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 7:36 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 1:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > ​>>​ >>> No I'm not disputing that, but computational relations couldn't exist >>> without computations, and computations couldn't exist without matter that >>> obeys the laws of physics.

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

2018-06-20 Thread Brent Meeker
On 6/20/2018 2:37 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 03:09:37AM -0700, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 2:22:53 AM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 9:58 PM, > wrote: *​> ​I think you should admit that bringing up the energy ch

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-06-20 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 1:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: ​>>​ >> No I'm not disputing that, but computational relations couldn't exist >> without computations, and computations couldn't exist without matter that >> obeys the laws of physics. >> > > ​>* ​* > *Why couldn't it be the other way around? e

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

2018-06-20 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 2:22 PM, wrote: *>I found an old version of my resume and gave you the exact references, > which you found without my help.* I have no idea what you're talking about. I looked and I could not find 2 scientific papers written by Alan Grayson or even one, and if they exist

Re: Primary matter

2018-06-20 Thread Brent Meeker
On 6/20/2018 4:51 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Bruno, I follow your reasoning, from one of your recent articles. This leaves me dissatisfied, but if I try to verbalize this dissatisfaction I feel stuck in a loop. Perhaps this illustrates your point. We might need to do some detour about wha

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

2018-06-20 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 03:09:37AM -0700, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 2:22:53 AM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 9:58 PM, > > > wrote: > > > > > >> *​> ​I think you should admit that bringing up the energy change of a > >> phot

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

2018-06-20 Thread agrayson2000
On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 1:28:16 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 10:46 PM, > > wrote: > > *​> ​And Yes, I did write two scientific papers with Carl Sagan.* >>> >>> >>> ​ >>> ​>>​ >>> Bullshit​. >>> >>> >> > > >* How much money are you willing to wager? Put your mo

Re: What the Earth looked like

2018-06-20 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
Thanks... A nice visualization of plate tectonics  On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 8:12 AM, John Clark wrote: I like this, it shows you what the Earth looked like with an animated globe between now and 750 million years ago: http://dinosaurpictures.org/ancient-earth#0 John K Clark -- You receiv

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-06-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 10:56 AM, John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > ​>* ​* >> *I am not sure I am seeing the relevance of your comments to what I >> said.​ ​Are you disputing that computational relations are embodied by >> statements concerning solution

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-06-20 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Jason Resch wrote: ​>* ​* > *I am not sure I am seeing the relevance of your comments to what I > said.​ ​Are you disputing that computational relations are embodied by > statements concerning solutions to certain polynomial equations?* > No I'm not disputing th

What the Earth looked like

2018-06-20 Thread John Clark
I like this, it shows you what the Earth looked like with an animated globe between now and 750 million years ago: http://dinosaurpictures.org/ancient-earth#0 John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from t

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

2018-06-20 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 10:46 PM, wrote: *​> ​And Yes, I did write two scientific papers with Carl Sagan.* >> >> >> ​ >> ​>>​ >> Bullshit​. >> >> > >* How much money are you willing to wager? Put your money where your mouth > is. It must be placed in an escrow account. AG* > I can't do that bec

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-06-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 17 Jun 2018, at 02:18, Jason Resch wrote: > > In solving Hilbert's 10th problem > in the > negative, the work of Martin Davis, Yuri Matiyasevich, Hilary Putnam and > Julia Robi

Re: Primary matter

2018-06-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Bruno, >> I follow your reasoning, from one of your recent articles. This leaves >> me dissatisfied, but if I try to verbalize this dissatisfaction I feel >> stuck in a loop. Perhaps this illustrates your point. > > > We might need to do some detour about what it would mean to explain > consci

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

2018-06-20 Thread agrayson2000
On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 2:22:53 AM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 9:58 PM, > > wrote: > > >> *​> ​I think you should admit that bringing up the energy change of a >> photon in a quantum experiment being caused by the expansion of the >> universe is just plain dum