Re: The Many Incarnations of Bruno

On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 10:26:04 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 1:34 AM, > > wrote: > > *>So your claim is that because the SWE doesn't say anything about >> measurements, presumably the wf continues to evolve forever.* >> > > Yes. You could argue that the SWE is

Re: The Many Incarnations of Bruno

On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 6:18 AM wrote: > > > On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 10:51:45 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 19 Aug 2018, at 07:34, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 5:27:08 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, August

Re: The Many Incarnations of Bruno

From: *Jason Resch* mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 9:13 PM John Clark > wrote: On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 5:52 PM, mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>>wrote: > /I'm from Missouri; SHOW ME! / I show you the double slit

Re:: Many-minds interpretation?

From: mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 11:36:47 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: From: *Bruno Marchal* Yes. My feeling is that you do introduce some preferred base. Yes, your feelings are very much at fault here. If you thought a bit rather than go with

Re: The Many Incarnations of Bruno

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 9:13 PM John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 5:52 PM, wrote: > > > >> *I'm from Missouri; SHOW ME! * > > > I show you the double slit experiment. David Deutsch said if other worlds > are just a interpretation of the double slit experiment then dinosaur are > just

Re: The Many Incarnations of Bruno

On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 1:34 AM, wrote: *>So your claim is that because the SWE doesn't say anything about > measurements, presumably the wf continues to evolve forever.* > Yes. You could argue that the SWE is incorrect if you want but that's what the equation says. > *> How does this imply

Re: The Many Incarnations of Bruno

Deutsch, like a physicists, is a superbly, bright, guy. I liked hos idea of flipping the time travel concept by indicating that you could go back in time, and kill your grandpa, but, you could go into a parallel universe's past, and mess with their lives. In any case, unless you like the idea

Re: : Many-minds interpretation?

On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 11:36:47 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal > > > On 19 Aug 2018, at 09:36, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal > > > You do seem to have got yourself into a bit of a tangle, Bruno. > > What I still do not understand in your view is how can you

Re: : Many-minds interpretation?

On 8/19/2018 3:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: So the "many superpositions" that you posit are entirely arbitrary, pulled out of the air without any justification. If she measure u, Bob get d. But is she measure u’, Bob get d’ (with certainly, if they have decided to measure in the same base

Re: : Many-minds interpretation?

On 8/19/2018 3:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Aug 2018, at 22:59, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/17/2018 7:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Of course, but that does not justify the idea that all branches pre-exist. But that is not exactly what I am saying. I am saying that some superposition

Re: : Many-minds interpretation?

On 8/19/2018 3:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Aug 2018, at 21:30, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/17/2018 2:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: We need to do that, because Alice has the choice of which base to use when measuring her particle. That will localise her in different branches: so they

Re: Many-minds interpretation?

On 8/19/2018 2:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Aug 2018, at 21:27, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 8/17/2018 2:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Aug 2018, at 20:50, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 8/16/2018 3:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re:: Many-minds interpretation?

From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> On 19 Aug 2018, at 09:36, Bruce Kellett > wrote: From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> You do seem to have got yourself into a bit of a tangle, Bruno. What I still do not understand in your view is

Re: The Many Incarnations of Bruno

On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 10:51:45 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 19 Aug 2018, at 07:34, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 5:27:08 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 2:13:32 AM UTC, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> On

Re: The Many Incarnations of Bruno

> On 19 Aug 2018, at 07:34, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 5:27:08 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 2:13:32 AM UTC, John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 5:52 PM, > wrote: > > >I'm from Missouri; SHOW ME! > >

Re: : Many-minds interpretation?

> On 19 Aug 2018, at 09:36, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> > > You do seem to have got yourself into a bit of a tangle, Bruno. > >> What I still do not understand in your view is how can you interpret >> >> |psi> = (|u>|d> - |d>|u>)/sqrt(2) >> >> as

Re: : Many-minds interpretation?

On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 9:51:56 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 17 Aug 2018, at 19:34, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 9:08:31 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 16 Aug 2018, at 22:37, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, August

Re: The Many Incarnations of Bruno

On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 2:13:32 AM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 5:52 PM, > > wrote: > > > >> *I'm from Missouri; SHOW ME! * > > > I show you the double slit experiment. David Deutsch said if other worlds > are just a interpretation of the double slit experiment then

Re: : Many-minds interpretation?

> On 17 Aug 2018, at 22:59, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 8/17/2018 7:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> Of course, but that does not justify the idea that all branches pre-exist. >> >> But that is not exactly what I am saying. I am saying that some >> superposition can be interpreted as

Re: : Many-minds interpretation?

> On 17 Aug 2018, at 21:30, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 8/17/2018 2:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> We need to do that, because Alice has the choice of which base to use when >> measuring her particle. That will localise her in different branches: so >> they all have to exist prior to

Re: Many-minds interpretation?

> On 17 Aug 2018, at 21:27, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 8/17/2018 2:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 16 Aug 2018, at 20:50, Brent Meeker >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8/16/2018 3:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 15 Aug 2018, at 21:33, Brent

Re: : Many-minds interpretation?

> On 17 Aug 2018, at 21:22, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 8/17/2018 1:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 16 Aug 2018, at 20:45, Brent Meeker >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8/16/2018 3:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: You seem to reintroduce implicitly some

Re: : Many-minds interpretation?

> On 17 Aug 2018, at 19:34, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 9:08:31 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 16 Aug 2018, at 22:37, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 6:45:25 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 8/16/2018

Re:: Many-minds interpretation?

From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> You do seem to have got yourself into a bit of a tangle, Bruno. What I still do not understand in your view is how can you interpret |psi> = (|u>|d> - |d>|u>)/sqrt(2) as a unique superposition. It seems to me you can do that because Alice and