Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 3:45 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > *I think I would feel better being outsmarted by an unconscious robot > than a conscious robot.* > I wouldn't feel bad if Einstein outsmarted me but if something that was only "pseudo" intelligent did I'd feel pretty stupid. John K Clark >

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> We cannot identify first person notion with third person notion. A subtlety is that physics is, eventually, shown to be first person plural, and not third person as usually believed today. That is merely a consequence of your idiosyncratic def

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 3:55:14 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/5/2018 1:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 2:45:30 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/5/2018 8:54 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 6:56:42 AM UTC-

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

On 11/5/2018 1:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 2:45:30 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 11/5/2018 8:54 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 6:56:42 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 3:40 AM Philip Thrift w

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 2:45:30 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/5/2018 8:54 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 6:56:42 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 3:40 AM Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> > I agree with those scientists who that sa

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

On 11/5/2018 8:54 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 6:56:42 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 3:40 AM Philip Thrift > wrote: > I agree with those scientists who that say something isn't truly intelligent unless it is also conscious.

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_machine Le lun. 5 nov. 2018 19:28, Quentin Anciaux a écrit : > > > Le lun. 5 nov. 2018 19:17, John Clark a écrit : > >> On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 8:51 AM Quentin Anciaux >> wrote: >> >> >>There is no evidence fire breathing dragons exist in nature but if one

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

Le lun. 5 nov. 2018 19:17, John Clark a écrit : > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 8:51 AM Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > >>There is no evidence fire breathing dragons exist in nature but if one >>> did it would not produce a logical contradiction, however Turing proved >>> over 80 years ago that a oracle tha

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 11:14:00 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 5 Nov 2018, at 11:41, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > But I claim an experience-processing computer (like our brain) is not > super-Turing, but is non-Turing: All *information* it can process is > Turing-computable, b

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 8:51 AM Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>There is no evidence fire breathing dragons exist in nature but if one >> did it would not produce a logical contradiction, however Turing proved >> over 80 years ago that a oracle that could solve the Halting Problem would. >> > > *> It doe

Re: Interpretation of Superposition

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 8:05:21 AM UTC, Pierz wrote: > > > > On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 7:50:30 AM UTC+11, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 11:22:46 PM UTC, Pierz wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 9:40:39 PM UTC+11, agrays..

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

On 11/5/2018 12:40 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 6:49:12 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 7:22 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: /> By "experience", philosophers (like Galen Strawson, Philip Goff) mean that which you have within yourse

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 5 Nov 2018, at 11:41, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 3:36:59 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 2 Nov 2018, at 15:02, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 3:45:53 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 1 Nov 2018, at

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 3:47:58 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 1 Nov 2018, at 19:59, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 1:44:19 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 2:27 PM Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> *> infinite time Turing m

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 6:56:42 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 3:40 AM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > > I agree with those scientists who that say something isn't truly >> intelligent unless it is also conscious. >> > > Then you have no way of knowing if any of your f

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

Le lun. 5 nov. 2018 à 14:48, John Clark a écrit : > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 4:39 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > > *>>> No Turing machine can solve the halting problem. You are right on this. But an oracle can, or a machine with infinite speed can.* >>> >>> > > >>If such a oracle could exist >> >>

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 4:39 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: *>>> No Turing machine can solve the halting problem. You are right on >>> this. But an oracle can, or a machine with infinite speed can.* >> >> >>If such a oracle could exist > > > *In what sense?* > Whoever said there is no such thing as a

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 6:33 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > *Experience is manifested by information processing. But experience per > se is not information processing.* > A car is not "fast" but going fast is what a car does. A brain is not a mind but mind is what a brain does. Information processing

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 3:40 AM Philip Thrift wrote: > I agree with those scientists who that say something isn't truly > intelligent unless it is also conscious. > Then you have no way of knowing if any of your fellow human beings are "truly intelligent" because you have no way of knowing if the

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

> On 4 Nov 2018, at 14:53, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 6:23 AM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > > If experience (Galen Strawson, The Subject of Experience) is the result of > > information (only) processing, > > If? If information is not the thing tha

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

> On 4 Nov 2018, at 12:23, Philip Thrift wrote: > > On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 6:02:50 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 5:49 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > >Information processing can ultimately lead to just a type of intelligence: > >pseudo-intelligence: > Artificia

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 3:36:59 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 2 Nov 2018, at 15:02, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 3:45:53 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 1 Nov 2018, at 19:43, John Clark wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 2:27 PM

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 2 Nov 2018, at 17:47, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 12:16 AM > wrote: > > > You sound like a young fool who has no respect for his elders. > > And you sound like a old fool who has placed so much respect for his elders > it approaches the l

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 2 Nov 2018, at 18:06, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 4:45 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > No Turing machine can solve the halting problem. You are right on this. But > > an oracle can, or a machine with infinite speed can. > > If such a oracle cou

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 2 Nov 2018, at 15:02, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 3:45:53 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 1 Nov 2018, at 19:43, John Clark > wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 2:27 PM Philip Thrift > > wrote: >> >> > infinite time Turing machines are more po

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 6:49:12 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 7:22 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > *> By "experience", philosophers (like Galen Strawson, Philip Goff) mean >> that which you have within yourself right now: the awareness that* [...] >> > > Awareness?

Re: Interpretation of Superposition

On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 7:50:30 AM UTC+11, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 11:22:46 PM UTC, Pierz wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 9:40:39 PM UTC+11, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 5:08:42 P