Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On 2/23/2020 6:43 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 7:29:26 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/23/2020 6:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Feb 2020, at 01:12, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 2/22/2020 3:52 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: O

Re: Randomness of quantum processes and computability

On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 5:08:16 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 21 Feb 2020, at 14:25, Alan Grayson > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 3:40:51 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 20 Feb 2020, at 21:59, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> I think Bruce's position is

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 7:29:26 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/23/2020 6:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 23 Feb 2020, at 01:12, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > > > On 2/22/2020 3:52 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Saturday, Febr

Re: Randomness of quantum processes and computability

On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 7:29:04 AM UTC-7, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 9:02 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > *>>> how does mechanism reduce the apparent indeterminacy to the computable?* >>> >>> >>> >> Determinism doesn't mean every fact is computable. >>> >> >> *>

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On 2/23/2020 6:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Feb 2020, at 01:12, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 2/22/2020 3:52 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 10:40:12 AM UTC-7, PGC wrote: On Thursday, Februa

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On 2/23/2020 4:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Feb 2020, at 22:24, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 2/20/2020 4:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Can a finite sequence be algorithmically incompressible? Can't I just give it a name, say "Albert" and write 'print albert’. Yes,

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 12:21 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 23 Feb 2020, at 04:11, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > > I don't really understand your comment. I was thinking of Bruno's > WM-duplication. You could impose the idea that each duplication at each > branch point on every branch is an independen

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 12:07 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 22 Feb 2020, at 23:10, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > The arguments that I have developed here, based on Kent's insight, take > Many-worlds at face value. Then the theory is clearly incoherent, or at > least incompatible with observation. Howe

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 11:36 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 21 Feb 2020, at 11:41, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 9:30 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> But that argument would work for coin tossing too. That eliminate >> basically all probabilistic inference, it seems to me. A d

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 12:00 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 22 Feb 2020, at 05:37, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > > I am not sure that I completely understand what Zurek has done here. The > problem of carrying the initial amplitdues through a sequence of repeated > trials is opaque to me. > > > It see

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 3:17:57 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 23 Feb 2020, at 01:12, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > > > On 2/22/2020 3:52 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > Why the incompatibility? Bruno? TIA, AG > > > Bruno's a fundamen

Re: The Science of Consciousness 2020 (conference abstracts)

How this below came to be mixed with the message that follows is a mystery, Quantum Google Groups superposition. :) @philipthrift On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 6:47:11 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > Hopefully at the at of the day someone goes in with *at least 45% of the > won del

Re: The Science of Consciousness 2020 (conference abstracts)

> On 22 Feb 2020, at 12:48, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 at 3:37 pm, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > Interesting attempt at analyzing Bruno's WM thought experiment. > https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1906

Re: The Science of Consciousness 2020 (conference abstracts)

> On 22 Feb 2020, at 05:37, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > Interesting attempt at analyzing Bruno's WM thought experiment. > https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1906/1906.10177.pdf > > I don't find it convincing, but it

Re: Powerful antibiotics discovered using AI

> On 22 Feb 2020, at 09:26, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > Example: > > > Here is the code for the Standard Model. What if it were 1 times bigger? It would be 1 times more an indication that we miss the theory, or it could mean that the history measure in arithmetic is very complicat

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 23 Feb 2020, at 01:12, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/22/2020 3:52 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 10:40:12 AM UTC-7, PGC wrote: >> >> >> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 1:55:39 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 2

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 23 Feb 2020, at 00:52, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 10:40:12 AM UTC-7, PGC wrote: > > > On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 1:55:39 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 20 Feb 2020, at 01:20, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> > wrote: >> >> >> >

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 22 Feb 2020, at 18:40, PGC wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 1:55:39 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 20 Feb 2020, at 01:20, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/19/2020 12:15 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> Wittgenstein is at th

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:58, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > It is not so simple. Language as with any symbolic system is incomplete. Yes, but with first order logic, we get at least that what is provable is satisfied in all models (soundness), and vice versa (completeness). Then incompletene

Re: Randomness of quantum processes and computability

On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 7:12 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: *> The BB is computable already with the Halting oracle* But a Halting oracle produces paradoxes, and I don't just mean weird situations I mean genuine logical contradictions. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subsc

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 20 Feb 2020, at 12:50, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > Daniel Dennett said that Alan Turing gave us the computer and Wittgenstein > gave us Wittgenstein. Though to be fair Wittgenstein did point to how > language has this inherent aspect of ambiguity, though his mission was to try > to re

Wittgenstein's silliness

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 8:58:15 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: *> Language as with any symbolic system is incomplete. So any symbolic > structure will by Gödel's theorem be incapable of proving it's consistency. > Wittgenstein seemed to recognize this and backed away from his Tractus

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 23 Feb 2020, at 07:04, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/22/2020 9:50 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 4:30 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> On 2/22/2020 7:11 PM, Bruce Kellett wrot

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 23 Feb 2020, at 04:11, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 10:56 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > On 2/22/2020 2:39 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 9:23 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> m

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 22 Feb 2020, at 23:10, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 7:17 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > On 2/21/2020 10:31 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 4:50 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> m

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 22 Feb 2020, at 05:37, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:42 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > On 2/21/2020 5:50 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> I know that they argue in this way. But that is just say "It must be this

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 21 Feb 2020, at 11:41, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 9:30 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > On 21 Feb 2020, at 04:40, Bruce Kellett > wrote: >> From: Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> >>> Of course that's tr

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 20 Feb 2020, at 22:24, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 2/20/2020 4:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> Can a finite sequence be algorithmically incompressible? Can't I just >>> give it a name, say "Albert" and write 'print albert’. >> >> >> Yes, a finite sequence

Re: Randomness of quantum processes and computability

> On 21 Feb 2020, at 17:38, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 7:40:24 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > I prefer a possible middle ground; that the universe isn't really stochastic > (an inference from QM), but pseudo random. AG > > > Typically, "a pseudorandom

Re: Randomness of quantum processes and computability

> On 21 Feb 2020, at 15:25, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 8:25 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > > how does mechanism reduce the apparent indeterminacy to the computable? > > Determinism doesn't mean every fact is computable. Determinism is indeed ve

Re: Randomness of quantum processes and computability

> On 21 Feb 2020, at 14:25, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 3:40:51 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 20 Feb 2020, at 21:59, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: >> >> I think Bruce's position is that quantum processes are inherently random and >> thus NOT computable.