Re: Inside Black Holes

2018-01-15 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 5:54:50 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > Hi Lawrence, thanks for a very interesting post. > > ​> ​ >> The vacuum is filled with virtual pairs of fields. With a black hole the >> gravity field causes one of these pairs to fall into the black hole and the >> other to e

Re: Inside Black Holes

2018-01-15 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 5:02:16 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 1/14/2018 8:24 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 9:25:40 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 1:40 AM, Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >> ​>> ​ ​I think that would be true

Re: Inside Black Holes

2018-01-14 Thread John Clark
Hi Lawrence, thanks for a very interesting post. ​> ​ > The vacuum is filled with virtual pairs of fields. With a black hole the > gravity field causes one of these pairs to fall into the black hole and the > other to escape. This means the quantum particle or photon that escapes as > Hawking radi

Re: Inside Black Holes

2018-01-14 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/14/2018 8:24 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 9:25:40 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 1:40 AM, Brent Meeker >wrote: ​>> ​ ​I think that would be true if, as in your example, the observer were freely fal

Re: Inside Black Holes

2018-01-14 Thread Lawrence Crowell
I put in a short Penrose diagram of the > Kerr-Newman black hole. Matter on the right I region will cross the r_+ > horizon and fall into the III spacelike region. From there it must cross > the interior horizon at r_-. Now there are two funny points here. The first > is whether

Re: Inside Black Holes

2018-01-14 Thread Brent Meeker
e. Matter on the right I region will cross the r_+ horizon and fall into the III spacelike region. From there it must cross the interior horizon at r_-. Now there are two funny points here. The first is whether the r_- horizon is a mass inflation singularity and prevents any information from

Re: Inside Black Holes

2018-01-14 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 9:25:40 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 1:40 AM, Brent Meeker > wrote: > > ​>> ​ >>> ​I think that would be true if, as in your example, the observer were >>> freely falling into the Black Hole, but if I was hovering just outside the >>> Eve

Re: Inside Black Holes

2018-01-14 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 1:40 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: ​>> ​ >> ​I think that would be true if, as in your example, the observer were >> freely falling into the Black Hole, but if I was hovering just outside the >> Event Horizon in a super powerful spaceship I could observe the Black Hole >> evapor

Re: Inside Black Holes

2018-01-14 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Saturday, January 13, 2018 at 6:30:33 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 1/13/2018 2:44 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, January 13, 2018 at 2:59:00 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> Classically, the radiation isn't "trapped"; it goes to the singularity >> (what the QM does? dunn

Re: Inside Black Holes

2018-01-14 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Saturday, January 13, 2018 at 5:56:01 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Lawrence Crowell < > goldenfield...@gmail.com > wrote: > > ​> ​ >> Go to https://jila.colorado.edu/~ajsh/insidebh/ to look an numerical >> simulations of what falling into a black hole would

Re: Inside Black Holes

2018-01-13 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/13/2018 3:55 PM, John Clark wrote: ​I think that would be true if, as in your example, the observer were freely falling into the Black Hole, but if I was hovering just outside the Event Horizon in a super powerful spaceship I could observe the Black Hole evaporating in just a few minutes

Re: Inside Black Holes

2018-01-13 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/13/2018 2:44 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, January 13, 2018 at 2:59:00 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: Classically, the radiation isn't "trapped"; it goes to the singularity (what the QM does? dunno).  The inflowing radiation is just that starlight that falls on the

Re: Inside Black Holes

2018-01-13 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: ​> ​ > Go to https://jila.colorado.edu/~ajsh/insidebh/ to look an numerical > simulations of what falling into a black hole would appear as. In effect > nothing spectacularly different appears upon crossin

Re: Inside Black Holes

2018-01-13 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 at 9:44 am, wrote: > > > On Saturday, January 13, 2018 at 2:59:00 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> Classically, the radiation isn't "trapped"; it goes to the singularity >> (what the QM does? dunno). The inflowing radiation is just that starlight >> that falls on the event horizo

Re: Inside Black Holes

2018-01-13 Thread agrayson2000
On Saturday, January 13, 2018 at 2:59:00 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > Classically, the radiation isn't "trapped"; it goes to the singularity > (what the QM does? dunno). The inflowing radiation is just that starlight > that falls on the event horizon...which is not particularly bright. > > Brent

Re: Inside Black Holes

2018-01-13 Thread Brent Meeker
Classically, the radiation isn't "trapped"; it goes to the singularity (what the QM does? dunno).  The inflowing radiation is just that starlight that falls on the event horizon...which is not particularly bright. Brent On 1/13/2018 9:18 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: Extremely hot and br

Re: Inside Black Holes

2018-01-13 Thread Lawrence Crowell
Go to https://jila.colorado.edu/~ajsh/insidebh/ to look an numerical simulations of what falling into a black hole would appear as. In effect nothing spectacularly different appears upon crossing the horizon. In fact the event horizon becomes an apparent horizon, which has an identical appearan

Inside Black Holes

2018-01-13 Thread agrayson2000
Extremely hot and bright due to trapped radiation? AG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to

New Type of Star Emerges From Inside Black Holes

2014-02-07 Thread Edgar L. Owen
FYI only. Don't have an opinion. Edgar New Type of Star Emerges From Inside Black Holes Born inside black holes, “Planck stars” could explain one of astrophysics’ biggest mysteries and may already have been observed by orbiting gamma ray telescopes, say cosmologists • The Physics arXiv