On 03 Mar 2014, at 23:33, Russell Standish wrote:
On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 05:28:47PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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Google translates "pie chart" by camembert and "apple pie", which
makes what you say rather funny.
I've noticed this too. I think the French equivalent is graphe
circulaire.
On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 05:28:47PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> ?
> Google translates "pie chart" by camembert and "apple pie", which
> makes what you say rather funny.
>
I've noticed this too. I think the French equivalent is graphe circulaire.
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On 01 Mar 2014, at 18:14, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrot
>>> information does need a substrate in which to manifest.
>> That seems to be the case but perhaps not at the very lowest
level. The integers are abstract things that aren't made of anything
Liz,
Well, we already know we get your knowledge of physics from TV shows so why
not your knowledge, or lack thereof, of other subjects as well?
:-)
And you should really learn the difference between antiques and
antiquities. You just display your continuing dismal ignorance by confusing
them.
If one can believe TV shows, antiques dealers are a bunch of rogues hoping
to fleece old dears out of a fortune by giving them a tiny payout for some
valuable item they've kept in the attic for decades and don't realise the
true value of.
On 2 March 2014 12:34, wrote:
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> On Friday, February 28
On Friday, February 28, 2014 8:54:19 PM UTC, John Clark wrote:
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> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Edgar L. Owen
> > wrote:
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> > information does need a substrate in which to manifest.
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> That seems to be the case but perhaps not at the very lowest level. The
> integers are abstract t
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrot
>>> information does need a substrate in which to manifest.
>>>
>>
>> >> That seems to be the case but perhaps not at the very lowest level.
>> The integers are abstract things that aren't made of anything except other
>> numbers and once you des
nse.
Craig
> Cheers
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> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Russell Standish >
> > To: everything-list >
> > Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 5:15 pm
> > Subject: Re: Is information physical?
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 27, 2014
On 28 Feb 2014, at 21:54, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Edgar L. Owen
wrote:
> information does need a substrate in which to manifest.
That seems to be the case but perhaps not at the very lowest level.
The integers are abstract things that aren't made of anything
To: everything-list
> Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 5:15 pm
> Subject: Re: Is information physical?
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> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 05:01:51PM -0500, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
> > Not to be a dick, but is not "information" or "data" perforations, and
> > pulse
On Friday, February 28, 2014 7:30:22 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
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> Craig,
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> I'm not exactly sure what you mean here. The substrate is itself formless
> (somewhat analogous to the concept of Tao). Within that arises all the
> forms whose computational interactions compute the current stat
Craig,
I'm not exactly sure what you mean here. The substrate is itself formless
(somewhat analogous to the concept of Tao). Within that arises all the
forms whose computational interactions compute the current state of the
universe. These computations compute on the basis of the laws of nature
On Friday, February 28, 2014 5:04:29 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
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> John,
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> I agree that the substrate that information manifests in is NOT physical,
> it is abstract in the sense of no physicality. But the information that
> constitutes the universe is REAL, so the substrate it exists wi
John,
I agree that the substrate that information manifests in is NOT physical,
it is abstract in the sense of no physicality. But the information that
constitutes the universe is REAL, so the substrate it exists within is the
real actual presence of existence itself. That's what brings it to l
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> information does need a substrate in which to manifest.
>
That seems to be the case but perhaps not at the very lowest level. The
integers are abstract things that aren't made of anything except other
numbers and once you describe how they
Surely information is an emergent concept, like entropy? Hence it isn't
physical, because the physical MAY be fundamental - but even if it isn't,
it's at a lower level than information.
It might happen to turn out that information underlies the physical - "it
from bit" - but that would not be what
On 28 Feb 2014, at 13:09, David Nyman wrote:
On 27 February 2014 21:35, Russell Standish
wrote:
When I last took a look at constructor theory, it wasn't much of a
theory. I know David's been working on it, when he's not doing the
chat show circuit, but hadn't heard any major development in
ge-
> From: Russell Standish >
> To: everything-list >
> Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 5:15 pm
> Subject: Re: Is information physical?
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 05:01:51PM -0500, spudb...@aol.com
> wrote:
> > Not to be a dick, but is not "information" or &qu
thing-list
Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 5:15 pm
Subject: Re: Is information physical?
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 05:01:51PM -0500, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
> Not to be a dick, but is not "information" or "data" perforations, and
> pulses,
in mater and energy? This is ho
On 27 February 2014 22:22, Russell Standish wrote:
Only when interpreted by an observer. An electrical circuit has only
> voltages and currents, not bits. To an observer, a voltage on a data
> line might be interpreted as 1 if it is greater than 3V, and zero if
> it is less than 1V. In between th
All,
In the computational theory of reality I present in my book, information is
not physical, but it is real and is the fundamental component of reality,
Information is what computes physicality, or more accurately what is
interpreted as physicality in the minds of organismic beings in their
On 27 February 2014 21:35, Russell Standish wrote:
When I last took a look at constructor theory, it wasn't much of a
> theory. I know David's been working on it, when he's not doing the
> chat show circuit, but hadn't heard any major development in it
> announced, so haven't taken another look.
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 05:01:51PM -0500, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
> Not to be a dick, but is not "information" or "data" perforations, and
pulses, in mater and energy? This is how we recognize information from
background noise, correct? Is there a third state of reality that is not
matter or ene
On 2/27/2014 1:35 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 01:34:32PM +, David Nyman wrote:
http://edge.org/conversation/constructor-theory
I don't recall if the list has discussed these ideas of David Deutsch
recently. The link is to an Edge interview in which he discusses his v
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 05:01:51PM -0500, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
> Not to be a dick, but is not "information" or "data" perforations, and
> pulses, in mater and energy? This is how we recognize information from
> background noise, correct? Is there a third state of reality that is not
> matte
Russell Standish
To: everything-list
Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 4:28 pm
Subject: Re: Is information physical?
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 01:34:32PM +, David Nyman wrote:
> http://edge.org/conversation/constructor-theory
>
> I don't recall if the list has discussed these ideas of David Deu
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 01:34:32PM +, David Nyman wrote:
> http://edge.org/conversation/constructor-theory
>
> I don't recall if the list has discussed these ideas of David Deutsch
> recently. The link is to an Edge interview in which he discusses his view
> that mathematicians are mistaken if
Deutsch cites the discovery of the neutrino as an application of energy conservation, but
he doesn't seem to notice that energy conservation is simply a consequence of requiring
that our theories by time-translation invariant. It's exactly the kind of impossibility
restriction he hopes to get f
http://edge.org/conversation/constructor-theory
I don't recall if the list has discussed these ideas of David Deutsch
recently. The link is to an Edge interview in which he discusses his view
that mathematicians are mistaken if they believe that information or
computation are purely abstract objec
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