Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 08 Mar 2015, at 23:47, meekerdb wrote: On 3/8/2015 2:07 PM, LizR wrote: On 9 March 2015 at 05:36, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Mar 2015, at 09:36, LizR wrote: I thought <>P meant P was possible? In the alethic interpretation of modal logic, <> means possible, and [] means necessary. Be

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 08 Mar 2015, at 22:07, LizR wrote: On 9 March 2015 at 05:36, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Mar 2015, at 09:36, LizR wrote: I thought <>P meant P was possible? In the alethic interpretation of modal logic, <> means possible, and [] means necessary. Before I get lost in logic, just going b

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 02 Mar 2015, at 00:08, meekerdb wrote: On 3/1/2015 2:58 PM, LizR wrote: On 2 March 2015 at 11:12, meekerdb wrote: On 3/1/2015 1:39 PM, LizR wrote: If Bruno uses God to mean an origin, perhaps he should call it 0 (zero) or { } - the empty set? I think he wants to mean the underlying bas

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On 03 Mar 2015, at 21:03, PGC wrote: On Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 6:32:27 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > As Kronecker said, "Die ganze Zahl schuf der liebe Gott, alles > Übrige ist Menschenwerk." Ah, thanks for the original text. The comp variant is "Die ganze Zahl schuf der liebe Gott

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 3/8/2015 2:07 PM, LizR wrote: On 9 March 2015 at 05:36, Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: On 07 Mar 2015, at 09:36, LizR wrote: I thought <>P meant P was possible? In the alethic interpretation of modal logic, <> means possible, and [] means necessary. Before

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 9 March 2015 at 05:36, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 07 Mar 2015, at 09:36, LizR wrote: > > I thought <>P meant P was possible? > > In the alethic interpretation of modal logic, <> means possible, and [] > means necessary. > Before I get lost in logic, just going by the verbal descriptions... A

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On 07 Mar 2015, at 09:36, LizR wrote: I thought <>P meant P was possible? In the alethic interpretation of modal logic, <> means possible, and [] means necessary. In the temporal interpretation of modal logic, <> means sometime, and [] means always. In the locus interpretation of modal l

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I thought <>P meant P was possible? If so wouldn't P imply <>P? Or have I misremembered what <>P means? On 7 March 2015 at 21:08, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 07 Mar 2015, at 02:51, meekerdb wrote: > > On 3/6/2015 7:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > That might depend on the context. Usually, in ou

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 07 Mar 2015, at 02:51, meekerdb wrote: On 3/6/2015 7:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: That might depend on the context. Usually, in our computationalist context it means true in the standard model of arithmetic, which is "this reality" if you want. In the modal context, it means true in thi

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 3/6/2015 7:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: That might depend on the context. Usually, in our computationalist context it means true in the standard model of arithmetic, which is "this reality" if you want. In the modal context, it means true in this world (which in our arithmetical context is N

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 05 Mar 2015, at 20:34, meekerdb wrote: On 3/5/2015 10:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Mar 2015, at 23:05, meekerdb wrote: On 3/4/2015 10:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Feb 2015, at 20:40, Samiya Illias wrote: My faith encourages me to pursue the sciences, to use my faculties an

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 3/5/2015 10:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Mar 2015, at 23:05, meekerdb wrote: On 3/4/2015 10:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Feb 2015, at 20:40, Samiya Illias wrote: My faith encourages me to pursue the sciences, to use my faculties and intelligence for reason and logic, and the s

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On 04 Mar 2015, at 23:05, meekerdb wrote: On 3/4/2015 10:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Feb 2015, at 20:40, Samiya Illias wrote: My faith encourages me to pursue the sciences, to use my faculties and intelligence for reason and logic, and the study of the sciences is not doubt. Doubt

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This and the next post of yours are classic. In the next one you cast doubt on our space-based worldview - I was waiting for the next step: the TIME_BASED doubt. * Bruno quoted Samiya concluding: *Doubt is the lack of faith!* - and I could not keep my agnostic mind from reversing this into: *Faith

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On 3/4/2015 10:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Feb 2015, at 20:40, Samiya Illias wrote: My faith encourages me to pursue the sciences, to use my faculties and intelligence for reason and logic, and the study of the sciences is not doubt. Doubt is the lack of faith! I am not sure I comment

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On 13 Feb 2015, at 20:40, Samiya Illias wrote: My faith encourages me to pursue the sciences, to use my faculties and intelligence for reason and logic, and the study of the sciences is not doubt. Doubt is the lack of faith! I am not sure I commented on this. It might be the heart of the

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On 4 March 2015 at 09:03, PGC wrote: > But I think we can say god mostly forgives syntax error of this sort, > without huge danger of blasphemy. PGC > > Unless they cause the universe to crash. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group

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On 4 March 2015 at 06:17, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 01 Mar 2015, at 22:39, LizR wrote: > > If Bruno uses God to mean an origin, perhaps he should call it 0 (zero) or > { } - the empty set? > > I can like 0 and 2 as the primordial Goddesse, enclosing the old fashioned > male God who thought he w

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 6:32:27 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > > > As Kronecker said, "Die ganze Zahl schuf der liebe Gott, alles > > Übrige ist Menschenwerk." > > Ah, thanks for the original text. The comp variant is > > "Die ganze Zahl schuf der liebe Gott, alles Übrige ist Za

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 01 Mar 2015, at 23:58, LizR wrote: On 2 March 2015 at 11:12, meekerdb wrote: On 3/1/2015 1:39 PM, LizR wrote: If Bruno uses God to mean an origin, perhaps he should call it 0 (zero) or { } - the empty set? I think he wants to mean the underlying basis of everything, not just a beginni

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 01 Mar 2015, at 23:12, meekerdb wrote: On 3/1/2015 1:39 PM, LizR wrote: If Bruno uses God to mean an origin, perhaps he should call it 0 (zero) or { } - the empty set? I think he wants to mean the underlying basis of everything, not just a beginning, but a sustaining basis - and he doe

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 01 Mar 2015, at 22:39, LizR wrote: If Bruno uses God to mean an origin, perhaps he should call it 0 (zero) or { } - the empty set? I can like 0 and 2 as the primordial Goddesse, enclosing the old fashioned male God who thought he was the source of all things, but he was just a child

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 01 Mar 2015, at 20:16, Samiya Illias wrote: On 01-Mar-2015, at 8:40 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Mar 2015, at 13:01, Samiya Illias wrote: On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 3:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Feb 2015, at 19:33, Samiya Illias wrote: On 28-Feb-2015, at 11:00 pm, Brun

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 3/1/2015 4:00 PM, LizR wrote: On 2 March 2015 at 12:08, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: Until you reflect that logic is just about relations between concepts we made up - so maybe "logically necessary" isn't so necessary after all. I find it interesting that a lo

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 2 March 2015 at 12:08, meekerdb wrote: > Until you reflect that logic is just about relations between concepts we > made up - so maybe "logically necessary" isn't so necessary after all. I > find it interesting that a lot of "logically necessary" truths were > contradicted by quantum mechani

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OOPs Should written 8 not 10. Changed my mind about the words without changing the number. Brent On 3/1/2015 3:08 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 3/1/2015 2:58 PM, LizR wrote: On 2 March 2015 at 11:12, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 3/1/2015 1:39 PM, LizR wrote: If B

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 3/1/2015 2:58 PM, LizR wrote: On 2 March 2015 at 11:12, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 3/1/2015 1:39 PM, LizR wrote: If Bruno uses God to mean an origin, perhaps he should call it 0 (zero) or { } - the empty set? I think he wants to mean the unde

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 2 March 2015 at 11:12, meekerdb wrote: > On 3/1/2015 1:39 PM, LizR wrote: > >> If Bruno uses God to mean an origin, perhaps he should call it 0 (zero) >> or { } - the empty set? >> > > I think he wants to mean the underlying basis of everything, not just a > beginning, but a sustaining basis -

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 3/1/2015 1:39 PM, LizR wrote: If Bruno uses God to mean an origin, perhaps he should call it 0 (zero) or { } - the empty set? I think he wants to mean the underlying basis of everything, not just a beginning, but a sustaining basis - and he doesn't believe in set theory or doesn't believe i

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Schoppenhauer? On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 4:39 PM, LizR wrote: > If Bruno uses God to mean an origin, perhaps he should call it 0 (zero) or > { } - the empty set? > > I am not sure what evidence there is for a creator, but even if there is > such evidence that doesn't answer the question at the top

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If Bruno uses God to mean an origin, perhaps he should call it 0 (zero) or { } - the empty set? I am not sure what evidence there is for a creator, but even if there is such evidence that doesn't answer the question at the top of the thread - "Why is there something rather than nothing?" It just c

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

> On 01-Mar-2015, at 8:40 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > >> On 01 Mar 2015, at 13:01, Samiya Illias wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 3:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 28 Feb 2015, at 19:33, Samiya Illias wrote: > On 28-Feb-2015, at 11:00 pm, Bruno Mar

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 01 Mar 2015, at 13:01, Samiya Illias wrote: On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 3:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Feb 2015, at 19:33, Samiya Illias wrote: On 28-Feb-2015, at 11:00 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Feb 2015, at 12:56, Samiya Illias wrote: Why don't you just call it One wit

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On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 3:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 28 Feb 2015, at 19:33, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > > On 28-Feb-2015, at 11:00 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 27 Feb 2015, at 12:56, Samiya Illias wrote: > > Why don't you just call it One with a capital O > > > > Because I use "One" f

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John, thank you for sharing your thoughts and narrative. i'm not sure anyone can provide an 'acceptable explanation' of the Creator/Originator. I think it is simply beyond our comprehension. However, I do believe that there is an overwhelming evidence of creation/origination, thus implying a Creato

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On 28 Feb 2015, at 19:33, Samiya Illias wrote: On 28-Feb-2015, at 11:00 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Feb 2015, at 12:56, Samiya Illias wrote: Why don't you just call it One with a capital O Because I use "One" for Plotinus first Hypostase. I use God, for the general notion, used

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Samiya, I am always cautious not to hurt a fellow lister's feelings. Bruno is a bit mixed up with religion (uses 'theology', capital G in God, etc. etc.) so I do not question his 'faith' beyond what he disclosed already (I hope). I was always polite with your preconditions as well. Now that you que

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> On 28-Feb-2015, at 11:00 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > >> On 27 Feb 2015, at 12:56, Samiya Illias wrote: >> >> Why don't you just call it One with a capital O > > > Because I use "One" for Plotinus first Hypostase. I use God, for the general > notion, used by most philosophers and compar

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On 27 Feb 2015, at 12:56, Samiya Illias wrote: Why don't you just call it One with a capital O Because I use "One" for Plotinus first Hypostase. I use God, for the general notion, used by most philosophers and comparative theologians. Bruno Samiya On 27-Feb-2015, at 4:23 pm, Bruno

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On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 PGC wrote: > > as diehard atheist in every way, > That's me. > > finding any possible transcendental concept of others laughable, > I don't find all transcendental concepts laughable, some are based on logic and are reasonable or at least semi-reasonable scientific specu

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On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 7:40:36 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 6:56 AM, Samiya Illias > wrote: > > > Why don't you just call it One with a capital O >> > > How about Bullshit with a capital B? And that's what passes for philosophy > on this list, inventing ne

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On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 6:56 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: > Why don't you just call it One with a capital O > How about Bullshit with a capital B? And that's what passes for philosophy on this list, inventing new ASCII sequences to represent concepts that already have words (like "God") that already

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Why don't you just call it One with a capital O Samiya > On 27-Feb-2015, at 4:23 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > >> On 26 Feb 2015, at 21:52, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> On 2/26/2015 3:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> Fro the greek, the existence of God is a quasi-triviality, because God, by >>> de

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On 26 Feb 2015, at 21:52, meekerdb wrote: On 2/26/2015 3:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Fro the greek, the existence of God is a quasi-triviality, because God, by definition, is the reality that we search. Then the real question is what is the nature of God? A person? A physical thing? A mat

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On 2/26/2015 3:33 PM, LizR wrote: On 27 February 2015 at 09:52, meekerdb > wrote: So I reiterate my objection that using "God" is not only obfuscating your avowed meaning it is also wrong to say it's what the Greeks meant by the basis of reality. I quite

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On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:33:59PM +1300, LizR wrote: > On 27 February 2015 at 09:52, meekerdb wrote: > > > > > So I reiterate my objection that using "God" is not only obfuscating your > > avowed meaning it is also wrong to say it's what the Greeks meant by the > > basis of reality. > > > > I q

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On 27 February 2015 at 09:52, meekerdb wrote: > > So I reiterate my objection that using "God" is not only obfuscating your > avowed meaning it is also wrong to say it's what the Greeks meant by the > basis of reality. > I quite like "Tao" - but some (perhaps not on this list) would no doubt fin

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On 2/26/2015 3:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Fro the greek, the existence of God is a quasi-triviality, because God, by definition, is the reality that we search. Then the real question is what is the nature of God? A person? A physical thing? A mathematical thing? A first principle, etc. The Gr

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On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: > There is another quote from Asimov that I quite like: >> "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever >> conceived." > > > > Which confirms again how much the atheist needs the bible. > As much as a tampon factory needs a sackfu

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ssage- From: John Mikes To: everything-list Sent: Wed, Feb 25, 2015 4:02 pm Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? Spudy, "a condition" of what??? and WHAT (great!) "program"??? what would you call 'electric&

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On 26 Feb 2015, at 02:24, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 LizR wrote: > A genuine sceptic (and a genuine scientist) is agnostic about what the final science may turn out to be, if we ever get there. Who are these strawmen scientists who think our current theories are the final

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On 25 Feb 2015, at 23:55, meekerdb wrote: On 2/25/2015 1:08 PM, LizR wrote: On 25 February 2015 at 15:00, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 , LizR wrote: > skeptical atheism appears to be based on faith. I see, so belief in God is based on faith and so is doubts about the existen

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On 25 Feb 2015, at 22:08, LizR wrote: On 25 February 2015 at 15:00, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 , LizR wrote: > skeptical atheism appears to be based on faith. I see, so belief in God is based on faith and so is doubts about the existence of God, but for a word to be meaningfu

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On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 LizR wrote: > A genuine sceptic (and a genuine scientist) is agnostic about what the > final science may turn out to be, if we ever get there. Who are these strawmen scientists who think our current theories are the final word on the nature of reality? > > What Mr Stein

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On 2/25/2015 1:08 PM, LizR wrote: On 25 February 2015 at 15:00, John Clark > wrote: On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 , LizR mailto:lizj...@gmail.com>> wrote: > skeptical atheism appears to be based on faith. I see, so belief in God is based on faith and so i

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On 25 February 2015 at 15:00, John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 , LizR wrote: > > >> > skeptical atheism appears to be based on faith. >> > > I see, so belief in God is based on faith and so is doubts about the > existence of God, but for a word to be meaningful there must be contrast, >

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#x27;s ideas is promotion. Promotion of a process or a span to the > posited next level up, an upgrade reality.Promotion via a pipeline(s). > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Clark > To: everything-list > Sent: Tue, Feb 24, 2015 9:00 pm > Subject: Re: Why is there

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--Original Message- From: John Clark To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Feb 24, 2015 9:00 pm Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 , LizR wrote: > skeptical atheism appears to be based on faith. I see, so

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On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 , LizR wrote: > > skeptical atheism appears to be based on faith. > I see, so belief in God is based on faith and so is doubts about the existence of God, but for a word to be meaningful there must be contrast, so your need to point out something, anything, that is NOT bas

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Cue JKC. Brent On 2/24/2015 4:48 PM, LizR wrote: Or, to put it more epistemically, skeptical atheism appears to be based on faith. It is based on the faith that our present ideologies will be preserved by final science. Current physicalism may turn out to be as delusory as Abrahamic theology.

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Or, to put it more epistemically, skeptical atheism appears to be based on faith. It is based on the faith that our present ideologies will be preserved by final science. Current physicalism may turn out to be as delusory as Abrahamic theology. -- Eric Steinhart, "Skeptical and Spiritual Atheisms"

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of view. And the material one is testable (accepting the greek analysis of knowledge) and can be compared with the observation (up to now it fits). Bruno -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list Sent: Wed, Feb 18, 2015 3:40 am Subject: Re: Why is there s

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-Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list Sent: Wed, Feb 18, 2015 3:40 am Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? On 17 Feb 2015, at 18:55, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: If one goes computationalism, and

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Message- From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Feb 17, 2015 12:43 pm Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? On 17 Feb 2015, at 13:55, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Very good. I do go computationalism myself, but

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term computer. -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Feb 17, 2015 12:43 pm Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? On 17 Feb 2015, at 13:55, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Very good. I

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ith entities which consume an infinite amount of energy to lie to us, as they must change our minds each time we look at the details of the simulation]. Bruno -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list Sent: Mon, Feb 16, 2015 6:18 am Subject: Re: Why is there somet

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said that the doubt is the devil. It is a prelude to the use of authoritative argument, in a domain where it is the most grave to do so, I think. Bruno -Original Message- From: John Clark To: everything-list Sent: Sat, Feb 14, 2015 1:22 am Subject: Re: Why is there something

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Bruno Marchal To: everything-list Sent: Mon, Feb 16, 2015 6:18 am Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? On 16 Feb 2015, at 02:55, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Interesting John. In steinharts view the first initiator of reality may i

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On 16 Feb 2015, at 20:14, David Nyman wrote: On 16 February 2015 at 18:29, meekerdb wrote: The faith step is assuming arithmetic. It's always been clear that Bruno's work is effectively an enquiry into whether something as apparently simple as first-order arithmetical relations are nonet

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On 16 Feb 2015, at 19:29, meekerdb wrote: On 2/16/2015 1:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: OUR faith? stories for the believers to sooth their mind. Possible, but this does not entail that the faith has no object. Again, with computationalism, faith is "meta-justified" by the fact that all (Lö

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On 16 February 2015 at 18:29, meekerdb wrote: The faith step is assuming arithmetic. It's always been clear that Bruno's work is effectively an enquiry into whether something as apparently simple as first-order arithmetical relations are nonetheless a sufficient ontological basis for the full r

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On 2/16/2015 1:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: OUR faith? stories for the believers to sooth their mind. Possible, but this does not entail that the faith has no object. Again, with computationalism, faith is "meta-justified" by the fact that all (Löbian) machines cannot avoid the discovery that

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obile Mail -Original Message- From: John Clark To: everything-list Sent: Sun, Feb 15, 2015 12:16 PM Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 12:52 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List > wrote: > John, see if you can

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Clark To: everything-list Sent: Sun, Feb 15, 2015 12:16 PM Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 12:52 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com";>

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On 2/15/2015 3:01 PM, John Mikes wrote: Any 'practical' advice why I should change my position? Anything I should *KNOW* about? Agnostically yours John M The practical advice would be to ask yourself how you know where your computer keyboard is and how it works. Then you may try applying th

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On 16 February 2015 at 12:01, John Mikes wrote: > Any 'practical' advice why I should change my position? Anything I should > *KNOW* > about? > Being in the same position as you, all I can say is ... I don't know. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "E

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On 15 Feb 2015, at 17:08, Samiya Illias wrote: You can invoke God to tell to the others what is right and wrong. You apply such belief to yourself if you feel it, but it can only concern a relation that you have with God, and God can have other relations with other people. Yes, of course

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On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 12:52 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > John, see if you can read this paper. Its a slideshow from Ars Disputandi > of an eric steinhart paper, on the theological implications of the > simulation argument. This is the only copy

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04:46 PM Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 spudboy100 via Everything List <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com";>everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

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On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > In Islam, I have read, is a being called The Doubter, which the faithful > associate with the devil, they term, iblis. > And in both the Old Testament and the Quran the devil is far more moral than G

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On 13 Feb 2015, at 20:40, Samiya Illias wrote: On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 12:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Feb 2015, at 12:47, Samiya Illias wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 12:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Feb 2015, at 08:21, Samiya Illias wrote: Can you show that 1 + 8 =

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there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > Your argument is based upon the collective thinking of some human thinkers > and philosophers, while my arguments are based upon a Book which, if numbers &g

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> On 15 Feb 2015, at 1:49 am, Samiya Illias wrote: > I hope you would you also agree with this statement: Science is simply > Critical Inquiry, neither doubt not faith. A scientist would say that he would drop his favoured theory, or at least think it less likely to be true, if evidence agai

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On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 11:22 AM, John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Samiya Illias > wrote: > > > Your argument is based upon the collective thinking of some human >> thinkers and philosophers, while my arguments are based upon a Book which, >> if numbers matter, a large numbe

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On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: > Your argument is based upon the collective thinking of some human > thinkers and philosophers, while my arguments are based upon a Book which, > if numbers matter, a large number of humans believe to be of a divine > revelation. I find it

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> On 14 Feb 2015, at 6:40 am, Samiya Illias > wrote: > My faith encourages me to pursue the sciences, to use my faculties and intelligence for reason and logic, and the study of the sciences is not doubt. Doubt is the lack of faith! Science considers faith bad and doubt good, revealed religions s

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On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 12:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 12 Feb 2015, at 12:47, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 12:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 10 Feb 2015, at 08:21, Samiya Illias wrote: >> >> >>> Can you show that 1 + 8 = 9. Better, tell me how many times y

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On 12 Feb 2015, at 12:47, Samiya Illias wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 12:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Feb 2015, at 08:21, Samiya Illias wrote: Can you show that 1 + 8 = 9. Better, tell me how many times you will need to use the second axioms? Nine times. Here: 1+8=9 Prove

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On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 12:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 10 Feb 2015, at 08:21, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 08 Feb 2015, at 05:07, Samiya Illias wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>>

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ask and peak over physicists shoulders, by reviewing their work and not receive criticism. Mitch -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list Sent: Mon, Feb 9, 2015 3:16 pm Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics

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On 10 Feb 2015, at 08:21, Samiya Illias wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Feb 2015, at 05:07, Samiya Illias wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Feb 2015, at 17:14, Samiya Illias wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 5:4

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On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 08 Feb 2015, at 05:07, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 04 Feb 2015, at 17:14, Samiya Illias wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> >

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On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 9:16 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 08 Feb 2015, at 13:30, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: > > Bruno, are you familiar with the atheistic (so-called) theologies of Dr. > Eric Steinhart? He's a bright philosopher from William Patterson > University, is the US. He was

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s. You might sum up the idea, if you have the time, > > The problem with many scientists is that they stop doing science when > doing philosophy. It is not a problem, but it can be confusing in that > field. > > > > Bruno > > > > > > > > > > -----O

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e- From: Samiya Illias To: everything-list Sent: Sat, Feb 7, 2015 11:07 pm Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Feb 2015, at 17:14, Samiya Illias wrote: On Wed, Feb 4,

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On 08 Feb 2015, at 05:07, Samiya Illias wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Feb 2015, at 17:14, Samiya Illias wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Feb 2015, at 06:02, Samiya Illias wrote: On 04-Feb-2015, at 12:01 am,

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ut it certainly parallels it. Ever heard of him? It sort of informs this topic I think. -Original Message- From: Samiya Illias To: everything-list Sent: Sat, Feb 7, 2015 11:07 pm Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? On Th

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On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 04 Feb 2015, at 17:14, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 04 Feb 2015, at 06:02, Samiya Illias wrote: >> >> >> >> On 04-Feb-2015, at 12:01 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> >> >

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On 04 Feb 2015, at 17:14, Samiya Illias wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Feb 2015, at 06:02, Samiya Illias wrote: On 04-Feb-2015, at 12:01 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: Then reason shows that arithmetic is already full of life, indeed full of an i

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On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 04 Feb 2015, at 06:02, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > > On 04-Feb-2015, at 12:01 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > >> >> Then reason shows that arithmetic is already full of life, indeed full of >> an infinity of universal machines competing

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