Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 14.10.2012 01:46 Russell Standish said the following: On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 12:16:06PM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Another question here would be who will divide the state space to a bacterium and environment. Let us imagine that we have implemented somehow a bacterium in Game of Life (or

Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-14 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 10:55:59AM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 14.10.2012 01:46 Russell Standish said the following: On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 12:16:06PM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Another question here would be who will divide the state space to a bacterium and environment. Let us imagine

Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-13 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.10.2012 22:54 Russell Standish said the following: On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 08:23:33AM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Russell Standish Life cannot survive without making choices, like where to go next. To avoid an enemy. To get food. This act of life obviously requires an autonomous

Re: Re: Re: Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-13 Thread Roger Clough
. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-12, 16:54:43 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Conscious robots On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 08:23:33AM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Russell Standish Life cannot survive

Re: Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-13 Thread Roger Clough
Time: 2012-10-12, 17:40:10 Subject: Re: Conscious robots On 10/12/2012 1:54 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 08:23:33AM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Russell Standish Life cannot survive without making choices, like where to go next. To avoid an enemy. To get food

Re: Re: Re: Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-13 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 12:27:01PM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Russell Standish I should stay away from discussing bacteria. Brownian motion and chemical actions could in fact make intelligence (free choice-making) unnecessary, as you may have suggested. Why avoid the topic? By

Re: Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
if it has any of these. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/11/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Evgenii Rudnyi Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-11, 07:58:57 Subject: Re: Conscious

Re: Re: Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-12 Thread Roger Clough
of intelligence. QED Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/12/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-11, 16:53:42 Subject: Re: Re: Conscious robots On Thu

Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-12 Thread meekerdb
On 10/12/2012 3:40 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: life, consciousness, free will, intelligence I try to give a phsical definition of each one: Life: whathever that maintain its internal entropy in a non trivial way (A diamant is not alive). That is, to make use of hardwired and adquired

Re: Re: Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-12 Thread Russell Standish
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 08:23:33AM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Russell Standish Life cannot survive without making choices, like where to go next. To avoid an enemy. To get food. This act of life obviously requires an autonomous choice. Nobody can make it for you. It can't be

Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-12 Thread meekerdb
On 10/12/2012 1:54 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 08:23:33AM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Russell Standish Life cannot survive without making choices, like where to go next. To avoid an enemy. To get food. This act of life obviously requires an autonomous choice. Nobody

Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-11 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 26.09.2012 20:35 meekerdb said the following: An interesting paper which comports with my idea that the problem of consciousness will be solved by engineering. Or John Clark's point that consciousness is easy, intelligence is hard. Consciousness in Cognitive Architectures A Principled

Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-11 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 11.10.2012 11:36 Evgenii Rudnyi said the following: On 26.09.2012 20:35 meekerdb said the following: An interesting paper which comports with my idea that the problem of consciousness will be solved by engineering. Or John Clark's point that consciousness is easy, intelligence is hard.

Re: Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-11 Thread Roger Clough
...@verizon.net 10/11/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Evgenii Rudnyi Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-11, 07:58:57 Subject: Re: Conscious robots On 11.10.2012 11:36 Evgenii Rudnyi said

Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-11 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Consciousness is easy if you already have consciousness. It is impossible if you don't. But you believe in panexperientialism, you believe that everything is conscious, so if you are correct then consciousness is not only

Re: Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-11 Thread Russell Standish
Subject: Re: Conscious robots On 11.10.2012 11:36 Evgenii Rudnyi said the following: On 26.09.2012 20:35 meekerdb said the following: An interesting paper which comports with my idea that the problem of consciousness will be solved by engineering. Or John Clark's point

Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:05:23 AM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: Consciousness is easy if you already have consciousness. It is impossible if you don't. But you believe in panexperientialism, you believe that

Re: Conscious robots

2012-09-26 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 2:35:27 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: An interesting paper which comports with my idea that the problem of consciousness will be solved by engineering. Or John Clark's point that consciousness is easy, intelligence is hard. Consciousness is easy if you already

Re: Conscious robots

2012-09-26 Thread meekerdb
On 9/26/2012 12:19 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 2:35:27 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: An interesting paper which comports with my idea that the problem of consciousness will be solved by engineering. Or John Clark's point that consciousness is easy,

Re: Conscious robots

2012-09-26 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 3:37:09 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 9/26/2012 12:19 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 2:35:27 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: An interesting paper which comports with my idea that the problem of consciousness will be solved by