Re: Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-06 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > I must have missed something. What does the > thinking of men have to do with evolution ? > > The evolution of plantlife ,at least, occurred before men were here. The question is whether philosophical zombies are possible or not. If they are p

Re: Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-06 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stathis Papaioannou IMHO Intelligence, as I see it, is the ability to make choices autonomously (one's own choices). One could, if so desired, lie about something. Or create something nonscientific (a watercolor) Robot choices made by software or hardware are not autonomous because some

Re: Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-06 Thread Roger Clough
I must have missed something. What does the thinking of men have to do with evolution ? The evolution of plantlife ,at least, occurred before men were here. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/6/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could functi

Re: Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-06 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg I don't think you can separate a man's brain from his mind or vice versa, since the mind is the brain's monad and monads cannot be created or destroyed. At least according to Leibniz. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/6/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have

Re: Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-06 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stathis Papaioannou All mental activity is out of the blue, meaning inextended, outside of spacetime. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/6/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - Fr

Re: Re: Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-05 Thread Roger Clough
ing-list Time: 2012-09-05, 11:07:00 Subject: Re: Re: Sane2004 Step One On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 8:43:35 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg I don't like the word "existence" as it carries so much baggage with it. What you describe below is physical existence. That

Re: Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-05 Thread Roger Clough
I don't think that life or mind or intelligence can be teleported. Especially since nobody knows what they are. I also don't believe that you can download the contents of somebody's brain. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/5/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him

Re: Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 8:43:35 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > > I don't like the word "existence" as it carries > so much baggage with it. What you describe > below is physical existence. That is a property > of extended entities. > I agree, existence means diffe

Re: Re: Sane2004 Step One

2012-09-05 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg I don't like the word "existence" as it carries so much baggage with it. What you describe below is physical existence. That is a property of extended entities. Inextended entities such as mind and 1p and thouights and feelings would be mentally existent. Roger Clough, rclo