Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-03-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 28 Feb 2018, at 20:38, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 2:08:43 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 26 Feb 2018, at 18:02, Lawrence Crowell > > wrote: >> >> On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 5:53:05 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 24 Feb 2018, a

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-28 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 2:08:43 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 26 Feb 2018, at 18:02, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 5:53:05 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 24 Feb 2018, at 00:36, Lawrence Crowell >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, Febr

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 26 Feb 2018, at 18:02, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 5:53:05 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 24 Feb 2018, at 00:36, Lawrence Crowell > > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 11:12:32 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 23 Feb 2

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-26 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 5:53:05 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 24 Feb 2018, at 00:36, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 11:12:32 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 23 Feb 2018, at 17:15, Lawrence Crowell >> wrote: >> >> The MH spacetime in

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 24 Feb 2018, at 00:36, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 11:12:32 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 23 Feb 2018, at 17:15, Lawrence Crowell > > wrote: >> >> The MH spacetime in the case of the Kerr metric does permit an observer in >> principle to

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 23 Feb 2018, at 23:15, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 2/23/2018 3:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> However though perhaps a spider may exist in a less filtered internal state >>> of being than a mouse, I don't see how it is more conscious. Is an amoeba >>> even more conscious then than a

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-23 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 11:12:32 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 23 Feb 2018, at 17:15, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > The MH spacetime in the case of the Kerr metric does permit an observer in > principle to witness an infinite stream of bits or qubits up to the inner > horizon

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-23 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/23/2018 3:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: However though perhaps a spider may exist in a less filtered internal state of being than a mouse, I don't see how it is more conscious. Is an amoeba even more conscious then than a spider. Is the simplest most elementary particle the

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-23 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 2:42 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: ​> ​ > Which is why mice are more conscious than you are and spiders are more > conscious than mice. ​I don't know about you but I lack the ability to directly detect the consciousness of spiders or mice of or even in my fellow human beings;

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 23 Feb 2018, at 17:15, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 7:06:47 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 23 Feb 2018, at 12:40, Lawrence Crowell > > wrote: >> >> On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 6:38:15 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> > On 21 Feb 2018, a

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-23 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:36 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 2/22/2018 7:06 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 1:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Feb 2018, at 21:27

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-23 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 7:06:47 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 23 Feb 2018, at 12:40, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 6:38:15 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> > On 21 Feb 2018, at 20:40, Brent Meeker wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > On 2/21/20

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 23 Feb 2018, at 12:40, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 6:38:15 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 21 Feb 2018, at 20:40, Brent Meeker > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 2/21/2018 1:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> I guess you mean enumerable here. I

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 23 Feb 2018, at 06:36, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 2/22/2018 7:06 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> >> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 1:37 AM, Bruno Marchal >>

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-23 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 6:38:15 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > On 21 Feb 2018, at 20:40, Brent Meeker > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 2/21/2018 1:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> I guess you mean enumerable here. I don’t see what physical bounds have > to do with Church-Turing

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 23 Feb 2018, at 04:06, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 1:37 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: > >> On 19 Feb 2018, at 21:27, 'Chris de Morsella' via Eve

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-22 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/22/2018 7:06 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 1:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Feb 2018, at 21:27, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-22 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 1:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Feb 2018, at 21:27, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 3:56 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:00:24 PM UTC-6, Brent wr

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-22 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/22/2018 4:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The mechanist answer to this is “yes”. The more you have neurons, the less conscious you are. Which is why mice are more conscious than you are and spiders are more conscious than mice. Indeed. I know it is counter-intuitive, but we were warned by

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 21 Feb 2018, at 20:40, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 2/21/2018 1:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> I guess you mean enumerable here. I don’t see what physical bounds have to >> do with Church-Turing thesis, though. We laws suppose that the universal >> machine have potentially unbounded t

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-21 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 1:42:25 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/21/2018 1:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 19 Feb 2018, at 21:27, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > > > On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 3:56 AM, Lawrence Crowell > > wrote:

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-21 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/21/2018 1:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Feb 2018, at 21:27, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List > wrote: On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 3:56 AM, Lawrence Crowell mailto:goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Sunday, February

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-21 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/21/2018 1:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I guess you mean enumerable here. I don’t see what physical bounds have to do with Church-Turing thesis, though. We laws suppose that the universal machine have potentially unbounded time and space (in the non physical computer science sense) availab

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-21 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 3:32:06 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 19 Feb 2018, at 20:12, Brent Meeker > > wrote: > > > > On 2/19/2018 3:56 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:00:24 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/18/2018 6:26 PM, Lawrence Cr

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 20 Feb 2018, at 02:27, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > It is getting a bit late and was planning to respond more on this. The > nonlinear aspect to consciousness may well relevant. In fact consciousness > may have a lot to do with it with respect to chaos theory. Of course elementary ari

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 19 Feb 2018, at 21:27, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 3:56 AM, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:00:24 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > On 2/18/2018 6:26 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> Computers such as AlphaGo

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 19 Feb 2018, at 20:12, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 2/19/2018 3:56 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:00:24 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 2/18/2018 6:26 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >>> Computers such as AlphaGo have complex algorithms for taking the

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-19 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
On 2/19/2018 12:27 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 3:56 AM, Lawrence Crowell  wrote:On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:00:24 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 2/18/2018 6:26 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: Computers such as AlphaGo have complex algorithms for

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-19 Thread Lawrence Crowell
It is getting a bit late and was planning to respond more on this. The nonlinear aspect to consciousness may well relevant. In fact consciousness may have a lot to do with it with respect to chaos theory. More later LC On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 2:27:37 PM UTC-6, cdemorsella wrote: > > > >

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-19 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/19/2018 12:37 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > *I viewed it. Very impressive what they can do. However, I'd be MORE > impressed, indeed HUGELY impressed with the existence of consciousness, if > without an algorith

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-19 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 6:56 AM, Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: *​> ​I think it may come down to computers that obey the Church-Turing > thesis,* > ​It states that a human can compute a function of ​ positive integer ​s ​if and only if a Turing Machine (aka a compute

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-19 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/19/2018 12:37 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: *I viewed it. Very impressive what they can do. However, I'd be MORE impressed, indeed HUGELY impressed with the existence of consciousness, if without an algorithm explicitly programming it, the computer would REFUSE to do as commanded.

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-19 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/19/2018 12:27 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 3:56 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:00:24 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 2/18/2018 6:26 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: Computers such as Alpha

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-19 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 9:26 PM, Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: *​> ​Computers such as AlphaGo have complex algorithms for taking the rules > of a game like chess and running through long Markov chains of game events > to increase their data base for playing the game.*

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-19 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 9:06:11 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/18/2018 7:41 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 8:35:59 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/18/2018 12:15 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 a

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-19 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 3:56 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:00:24 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 2/18/2018 6:26 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: Computers such as AlphaGo have complex algorithms for taking the rules of a game like chess and running throug

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-19 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/19/2018 3:56 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:00:24 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 2/18/2018 6:26 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: Computers such as AlphaGo have complex algorithms for taking the rules of a game like chess and running through long Markov

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 19 Feb 2018, at 12:56, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:00:24 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > On 2/18/2018 6:26 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> Computers such as AlphaGo have complex algorithms for taking the rules of a >> game like chess and running through

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 19 Feb 2018, at 04:41, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 8:35:59 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > On 2/18/2018 12:15 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 12:09:37 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 2/18/2018 6:11 AM,

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 19 Feb 2018, at 04:32, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 8:24:40 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > On 2/18/2018 9:58 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:54:58 AM UTC-7, agrays...@gmail.com <> >> wrote: >> >> >> O

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 19 Feb 2018, at 02:28, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 7:51 PM, Lawrence Crowell > mailto:goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com>> > wrote: > > ​> ​That is a canned. It is only a question because we recognize it as such, > not because the computer somehow knows that. > > How wo

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 19 Feb 2018, at 00:26, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Lawrence Crowell > mailto:goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com>> > wrote: > > ​> ​One thing a computer can not do is ask a question. > > You've never had a computer ask you what your password is? That is usually

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 18 Feb 2018, at 18:54, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 7:11:38 AM UTC-7, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:25:07 AM UTC-6, Russell Standish wrote: > On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 05:19:22PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > > >

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-19 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:00:24 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/18/2018 6:26 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > Computers such as AlphaGo have complex algorithms for taking the rules of > a game like chess and running through long Markov chains of game events to > increase their data ba

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 9:02:34 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/18/2018 7:32 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 8:24:40 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/18/2018 9:58 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/18/2018 7:48 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 8:37:44 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/18/2018 12:19 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 12:03:28 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/18/2018 5:05 AM, agrays...@gmail.

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/18/2018 7:41 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 8:35:59 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/18/2018 12:15 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 12:09:37 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/18/2018 6:11 AM, Lawrence Crowell

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/18/2018 7:32 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 8:24:40 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/18/2018 9:58 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:54:58 AM UTC-7, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 1

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/18/2018 6:26 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: Computers such as AlphaGo have complex algorithms for taking the rules of a game like chess and running through long Markov chains of game events to increase their data base for playing the game. There is not really anything about "knowing somethi

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 8:37:44 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/18/2018 12:19 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 12:03:28 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/18/2018 5:05 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, February 18, 2018

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 8:35:59 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/18/2018 12:15 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 12:09:37 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/18/2018 6:11 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:25:0

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/18/2018 12:46 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: One thing a computer can not do is ask a question. I can ask a question and program a computer to help solve the problem. In fact I am doing a program to do just this. I am working a computer program to model aspects of gravitatio

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/18/2018 12:19 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 12:03:28 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/18/2018 5:05 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 12:34:47 AM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/17/2018 10:28 PM, agrays...@gmai

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/18/2018 12:15 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 12:09:37 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/18/2018 6:11 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:25:07 AM UTC-6, Russell Standish wrote: On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 05:19:2

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 8:24:40 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/18/2018 9:58 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:54:58 AM UTC-7, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 7:11:38 AM UTC-7, Lawrence Crowell wrote:

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/18/2018 9:58 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:54:58 AM UTC-7, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 7:11:38 AM UTC-7, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:25:07 AM UTC-6, Russell S

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread Lawrence Crowell
Computers such as AlphaGo have complex algorithms for taking the rules of a game like chess and running through long Markov chains of game events to increase their data base for playing the game. There is not really anything about "knowing something" going on here. There is a lot of hype over AI

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 7:51 PM, Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: *​> ​That is a canned. It is only a question because we recognize it as > such, not because the computer somehow knows that.* > How would the computer behave differently if is did ​ ​"​ somehow knows that

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 3:15 PM, wrote: > It can only do what it has been programmed to do. I can't act independent > of its program > ​ Suppose you know ​ absolutely nothing about Chess, you're not given a teacher, you ​ are not ​ even given a book on Chess, all you're given is is a short pamp

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 5:26:04 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Lawrence Crowell < > goldenfield...@gmail.com > wrote: > > *​> ​One thing a computer can not do is ask a question.* >> > > You've never had a computer ask you what your password is? > > ​John K

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 1:46:55 PM UTC-7, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 1:09:37 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/18/2018 6:11 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:25:07 AM UTC-6, Russell Standish wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, F

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: *​> ​One thing a computer can not do is ask a question.* > You've never had a computer ask you what your password is? ​John K Clark​ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Googl

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 1:09:37 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/18/2018 6:11 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:25:07 AM UTC-6, Russell Standish wrote: >> >> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 05:19:22PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: >> > >> > >> > On 2/17/2018 4:58

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 12:03:28 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/18/2018 5:05 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 12:34:47 AM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/17/2018 10:28 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, February 17, 20

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 12:09:37 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/18/2018 6:11 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:25:07 AM UTC-6, Russell Standish wrote: >> >> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 05:19:22PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: >> > >> > >> > On 2/17/2018 4

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/18/2018 6:11 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:25:07 AM UTC-6, Russell Standish wrote: On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 05:19:22PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 2/17/2018 4:58 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > But what is the criterion when A

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/18/2018 5:05 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 12:34:47 AM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/17/2018 10:28 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 10:50:13 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/17/2018 5:44 PM, agrays...@gma

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:54:58 AM UTC-7, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 7:11:38 AM UTC-7, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:25:07 AM UTC-6, Russell Standish wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 05:19:22PM -0800, Brent

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 7:11:38 AM UTC-7, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:25:07 AM UTC-6, Russell Standish wrote: >> >> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 05:19:22PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: >> > >> > >> > On 2/17/2018 4:58 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> > > Bu

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 4:25:07 AM UTC-6, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 05:19:22PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > > > On 2/17/2018 4:58 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > But what is the criterion when AI exceeds human intelligence? AG > > > > > > > https

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 12:34:47 AM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/17/2018 10:28 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 10:50:13 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/17/2018 5:44 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, February 17,

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-18 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 05:19:22PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 2/17/2018 4:58 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > But what is the criterion when AI exceeds human intelligence? AG > > > > https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-16/father-artificial-intelligence-singularity-less-30-years-

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-17 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/17/2018 10:28 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 10:50:13 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/17/2018 5:44 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 6:19:28 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/17/2018 4:58 PM, agrays...@gm

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-17 Thread agrayson2000
On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 10:50:13 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/17/2018 5:44 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 6:19:28 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/17/2018 4:58 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> But what is the criterion when A

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-17 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/17/2018 5:44 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 6:19:28 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/17/2018 4:58 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: But what is the criterion when AI exceeds human intelligence? AG https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-16/f

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-17 Thread agrayson2000
On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 6:19:28 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/17/2018 4:58 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > But what is the criterion when AI exceeds human intelligence? AG > > > https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-16/father-artificial-intelligence-singularity-less-30-years-

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-17 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/17/2018 4:58 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: But what is the criterion when AI exceeds human intelligence? AG https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-16/father-artificial-intelligence-singularity-less-30-years-away Intelligence is multi-dimensional.  Computers already do arithmetic and

Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

2018-02-17 Thread agrayson2000
But what is the criterion when AI exceeds human intelligence? AG https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-16/father-artificial-intelligence-singularity-less-30-years-away -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this