Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-10-05 Thread spudboy100
-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Oct 4, 2013 8:56 pm Subject: Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 11:54:34AM -0400, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Very well, Professor Standish, given that, could the Hubble Volume tself, then be considered as one CA

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology (errata)

2013-10-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
conclusion. All about the same time. -Original Message- From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:54 pm Subject: Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology On 4 October 2013 10:38, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-10-05 Thread Russell Standish
Message- From: Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Oct 4, 2013 8:56 pm Subject: Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 11:54:34AM -0400, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Very well, Professor

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-10-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
...@ulb.ac.be To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:18 am Subject: Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology On 02 Oct 2013, at 03:56, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 02:54:51PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Oct 2013, at 01:30

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-10-04 Thread spudboy100
everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Oct 3, 2013 5:54 pm Subject: Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology On 4 October 2013 10:38, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone know any phenomena in nature or science that duplicates the behavior of Cellular Automata? Does cell biology do

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-10-04 Thread spudboy100
, 2013 8:13 pm Subject: Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology There are plenty of examples, but it will take too long to extract the literature. For example, the Navier-Stokes equations describing fluid flow can be simulated via an appropriate hex tiling (close packed spheres) CA

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-10-04 Thread spudboy100
, a trigger effect? Mitch -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Oct 4, 2013 11:23 am Subject: Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology On 03 Oct 2013, at 23:38, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-10-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
sense of our. Bruno Mitch -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Oct 4, 2013 11:23 am Subject: Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology On 03 Oct 2013, at 23:38, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Does

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-10-03 Thread spudboy100
Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:18 am Subject: Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology On 02 Oct 2013, at 03:56, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 02:54:51PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Oct 2013

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-10-03 Thread LizR
On 4 October 2013 10:38, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone know any phenomena in nature or science that duplicates the behavior of Cellular Automata? Does cell biology do the tasks of CA, orbis this merely, a mathematical abstraction? Does anything in physics come to mind, when

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-10-03 Thread Russell Standish
of cosmology and biology On 02 Oct 2013, at 03:56, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 02:54:51PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Oct 2013, at 01:30, Russell Standish wrote: The real universe is likely to be 11 dimensional, nonlocal with around 10^{122} states, or 2^{10

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-10-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 Oct 2013, at 19:19, meekerdb wrote: On 10/1/2013 5:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: CA are local. The universe cannot be a CA if comp is correct, and the empirical violation of Bell's inequality confirms this comp feature. ?? But CA are Turing universal, which means they can compute

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-10-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Oct 2013, at 04:18, LizR wrote: On 2 October 2013 14:56, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: There is no particular requirement for CAs to be local, although local CAs are by far easier to study than nonlocal ones, so in practice they usually are (cue obligatory lamp post

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-10-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Oct 2013, at 03:56, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 02:54:51PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Oct 2013, at 01:30, Russell Standish wrote: The real universe is likely to be 11 dimensional, nonlocal with around 10^{122} states, or 2^{10^{122}} possible universes,

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-10-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 Oct 2013, at 01:30, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 04:22:13PM -0400, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Professor, Standish, Speaking about Wolfram, some ten years ago, Wolfram opined that why listen for ETI's when we can use computers to generate all we need to know about

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-10-01 Thread spudboy100
Sent: Tue, Oct 1, 2013 8:54 am Subject: Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology n 01 Oct 2013, at 01:30, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 04:22:13PM -0400, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Professor, Standish, Speaking about Wolfram, some ten years ago, Wolfram opined that why

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-10-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Sep 2013, at 01:48, Craig Weinberg wrote: But it really all comes down to the confluence of these various factors that allows us to have this conversation in the first place, Numbers can't have a confluence though. It's not sensation that is primary, but sense. Sensation is a kind

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-10-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
: The confluence of cosmology and biology On 01 Oct 2013, at 01:30, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 04:22:13PM -0400, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Professor, Standish, Speaking about Wolfram, some ten years ago, Wolfram opined that why listen for ETI's when we can use computers to generate

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-10-01 Thread meekerdb
On 10/1/2013 5:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: CA are local. The universe cannot be a CA if comp is correct, and the empirical violation of Bell's inequality confirms this comp feature. ?? But CA are Turing universal, which means they can compute any computable universe. I think there is an an

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-10-01 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, October 1, 2013 9:45:09 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Sep 2013, at 01:48, Craig Weinberg wrote: But it really all comes down to the confluence of these various factors that allows us to have this conversation in the first place, Numbers can't have a confluence though.

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-10-01 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 02:54:51PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Oct 2013, at 01:30, Russell Standish wrote: The real universe is likely to be 11 dimensional, nonlocal with around 10^{122} states, or 2^{10^{122}} possible universes, if indeed it is a CA at all. Needles in haystacks is

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-10-01 Thread LizR
On 2 October 2013 14:56, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: There is no particular requirement for CAs to be local, although local CAs are by far easier to study than nonlocal ones, so in practice they usually are (cue obligatory lamp post analogy). Thanks, I was looking for that

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-10-01 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 03:18:34PM +1300, LizR wrote: On 2 October 2013 14:56, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: There is no particular requirement for CAs to be local, although local CAs are by far easier to study than nonlocal ones, so in practice they usually are (cue

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-09-30 Thread spudboy100
: Sat, Sep 28, 2013 10:15 pm Subject: Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 08:53:48AM +1300, LizR wrote: On 28 September 2013 21:15, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 28 Sep 2013, at 09:44, LizR wrote: So not an ongoing computation performed

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-09-30 Thread Chris de Morsella
LOL -Chris From: spudboy...@aol.com spudboy...@aol.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 1:22 PM Subject: Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology Professor, Standish, Speaking about Wolfram, some ten years ago

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-09-30 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 04:22:13PM -0400, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Professor, Standish, Speaking about Wolfram, some ten years ago, Wolfram opined that why listen for ETI's when we can use computers to generate all we need to know about Alien civilizations. I tried looking after what

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-09-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Sep 2013, at 21:53, LizR wrote: On 28 September 2013 21:15, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 28 Sep 2013, at 09:44, LizR wrote: So not an ongoing computation performed by the universe, What does that mean? Actually I think I got confused, it isn't Max T who suggested that,

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-09-29 Thread spudboy100
thismindisbud...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Sep 28, 2013 2:29 am Subject: The confluence of cosmology and biology So it seems to me that all of us are situated within a spectacular confluence of cosmological and biological factors. The cosmological

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-09-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
But it really all comes down to the confluence of these various factors that allows us to have this conversation in the first place, Numbers can't have a confluence though. It's not sensation that is primary, but sense. Sensation is a kind of sense and computation is a kind of sensemaking, but

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-09-29 Thread LizR
On 30 September 2013 12:48, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Sensation is a kind of sense and computation is a kind of sensemaking, but computation by itself can have no sensation. So on this view the brain can't be an organic computer because it experiences sensations? -- You

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-09-28 Thread LizR
So not an ongoing computation performed by the universe, as suggested by, say, Max Tegmark? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-09-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Sep 2013, at 08:29, freqflyer07281972 wrote: So it seems to me that all of us are situated within a spectacular confluence of cosmological and biological factors. The cosmological factors include the fact that dark energy hasn't gotten strong enough to rip the whole works apart,

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-09-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Sep 2013, at 09:44, LizR wrote: So not an ongoing computation performed by the universe, What does that mean? as suggested by, say, Max Tegmark? Can you give a reference? Thanks, Bruno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-09-28 Thread LizR
On 28 September 2013 21:15, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 28 Sep 2013, at 09:44, LizR wrote: So not an ongoing computation performed by the universe, What does that mean? Actually I think I got confused, it isn't Max T who suggested that, but didn't someone like John Conway

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-09-28 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 08:53:48AM +1300, LizR wrote: On 28 September 2013 21:15, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 28 Sep 2013, at 09:44, LizR wrote: So not an ongoing computation performed by the universe, What does that mean? Actually I think I got confused, it isn't