Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Jun 2014, at 10:38, Kim Jones wrote: On 12 Jun 2014, at 8:54 am, LizR wrote: But when I asked my computer if it could manage that, it said "I'm afraid I can't do that, Liz." Also it refuses to open the front door, so I'm stuck in the garage. "Open the pod bay doors, HAL..HAL

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-12 Thread Kim Jones
> On 12 Jun 2014, at 8:54 am, LizR wrote: > > But when I asked my computer if it could manage that, it said "I'm afraid I > can't do that, Liz." > > Also it refuses to open the front door, so I'm stuck in the garage. "Open the pod bay doors, HAL..HAL - open the pod bay doors, please.

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-11 Thread LizR
On 12 June 2014 08:22, wrote: > On Monday, June 9, 2014 10:32:02 PM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: >> >> The TT has been so watered down that it doesn't prove anything except >> that a glorified version of ELIZA can fool some of the people some of the >> time. >> > > If the TT has been watered down, then th

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-11 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:30:34 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:22:35 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, June 9, 2014 10:32:02 PM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: >>> >>> The TT has been so watered down that it doesn't prove anything except >>

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-11 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:22:35 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, June 9, 2014 10:32:02 PM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: >> >> The TT has been so watered down that it doesn't prove anything except >> that a glorified version of ELIZA can fool some of the people some of the >> time.

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-11 Thread ghibbsa
On Monday, June 9, 2014 10:32:02 PM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: > > The TT has been so watered down that it doesn't prove anything except that > a glorified version of ELIZA can fool some of the people some of the time. > If the TT has been watered down, then the first question for me would be "doesn'

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Jun 2014, at 19:58, meekerdb wrote: On 6/10/2014 2:04 AM, LizR wrote: Having just re-re-read my good friend Wikipaedia's article on this, I'm still not sure exactly what Turing is proposing. It looks like what you said - that both a man and a computer tries to fool the judge that th

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-10 Thread LizR
Well, obviously it was based on Snow White! What's bizarre is actually committing suicide at all, and especially in a manner based on a children's animated film. But I suspect that it was an accident, and the apparent coincidence was just that. (What is it with gay people and Maleficent, anyway? I

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-10 Thread meekerdb
On 6/10/2014 2:04 AM, LizR wrote: Having just re-re-read my good friend Wikipaedia's article on this, I'm still not sure exactly what Turing is proposing. It looks like what you said - that both a man and a computer tries to fool the judge that they're a woman! Which is bizarre, but so are cyan

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-10 Thread LizR
Having just re-re-read my good friend Wikipaedia's article on this, I'm still not sure exactly what Turing is proposing. It looks like what you said - that both a man and a computer tries to fool the judge that they're a woman! Which is bizarre, but so are cyanide coated apples if one can believe t

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-09 Thread LizR
Was that true in all the versions he published? I read the second version of the test and wasn't sure if he meant the computer was trying to imitate a woman, or just fool the judge that it was a person. It seems a bit bizarre to have the judge trying to work out if it's a woman or a man or a comput

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-09 Thread LizR
On 10 June 2014 10:07, meekerdb wrote: > On 6/9/2014 2:37 PM, LizR wrote: > > PPS those transcripts are hilarious, how could anyone be fooled? I mean > maybe if you had no idea there was a possibility of it being a computer, > just maybe but you'd definitely think you had someone autistic. >

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-09 Thread meekerdb
On 6/9/2014 2:37 PM, LizR wrote: PPS those transcripts are hilarious, how could anyone be fooled? I mean maybe if you had no idea there was a possibility of it being a computer, just maybe but you'd definitely think you had someone autistic. PPPS were the judges also computers? Just asking

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-09 Thread LizR
PPS those transcripts are hilarious, how could anyone be fooled? I mean maybe if you had no idea there was a possibility of it being a computer, just maybe but you'd definitely think you had someone autistic. PPPS were the judges also computers? Just asking. Some *people *couldn't pass the Tur

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-09 Thread LizR
The TT has been so watered down that it doesn't prove anything except that a glorified version of ELIZA can fool some of the people some of the time. PS Nice to see the illustration is from 2001 given the title of my thread on this one :-D On 10 June 2014 08:39, meekerdb wrote: > > > > ---

Fwd: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-09 Thread meekerdb
Original Message http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/09/eugene-person-human-computer-robot-chat-turing-test This story has some actual transcripts. Suppose you had to decide whether the judge was a "serious professional Turing contest judge" or an "idiot" just bas

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