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AI than a human, but then MC Escher included a lot of final details > so I don't know.* > > > *AI Art Turing Test > <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdqpfY0OXLQoO_UNkhKTAtQbmh8EX_xpAAaGV6mxlBDms9CzQ/viewform>* > > > > *John K Clark * > --

Re: AI Art Turing Test

nique but I know an AI can make pictures that look like a human had painted them. I also look for super fine detail that is more likely to come from an AI than a human, but then MC Escher included a lot of final details so I don't know.* *AI Art Turing Test <https://docs.google.

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Re: Chat_GPT4 scores in the 1% of a creativity score test v 24 undergraduates

On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 7:49 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > https://fortune.com/2023/08/25/a-i-creativity-test-score-humans/ > Thanks for posting this Spud. Interesting article, although I'm sure some people w

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Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

hand, if I am wrong about these as well, who cares? I don't hand out the grant money to finance research, and like most of my fellow serf's just read the science and try to keep up.  -Original Message- From: Brent Meeker To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Mar 22, 20

Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

t world shaking event and the most > underreported one. Many of us have been talking about the singularity for > decades, but now it looks like we're on its doorstep. You've got to look at > this video! > > > 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts) > &

Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

On 3/19/2023 11:33 AM, Jason Resch wrote: There might not be much to it. A thermostat may be conscious. Consciousness might be easy to achieve. What is difficult is developing a system capable of describing its conscious states, or at least its own bafflement over the fact that it is somethin

Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts) On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 8:53 PM wrote: I am far, less, the philosopher then you are. All this peasant (me!) requires for both animals and machines is a basic mechanical, cause + effect diagram on how both sets attained self-awareness? Call it a

Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

w, if we create robot companions and colleagues, or prosthetic robot bodies to upload sick and dying biological brains into, or if we create self-replicating machines that fill the galaxy, we should know beforehand if they are conscious or not. These questions will become pressing very soon

Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 9:39 PM wrote: > The authors are professionals. You hold that your knowledge base is is > greater than the authors? > First of all it's author, not authors, it's written by only one guy, of course you wouldn't know that since you didn't read it, you just posted a link to

Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 3:49 AM smitra wrote: > > > *> The way one would be able to see that the system despite > performingextremely well does not have the intellectual capabilities of a > humanbeing, would be to follow up on gaps in its knowledge and see if it > canlearn from its mistakes and

Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

t; > >> *>Again, it is important to understand what exactly GPT-4 is doing. It is >> certainly impressive, but it is not the same thing as a human being taking >> an IQ test,* > > So you must think the following fundamental axiom is true: > > *"If a hu

Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

questions because they wouldn't even be able to communicate. *>Again, it is important to understand what exactly GPT-4 is doing. It is > certainly impressive, but it is not the same thing as a human being taking > an IQ test,* > So you must think the following fundamental axiom is true: *

Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

Am Sa, 18. Mär 2023, um 08:49, schrieb smitra: > So, in the video we see that it got a question wrong because it thought > that 33 is a prime number. I would be more impressed by a system that > may make many more mistakes like that than this GPT system made, but > where there is a follow-up co

Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

t man in the planet in just a few months. Interested? >>> >> When human beings take an IQ test that is almost certainly NOT the first >>> >> test they've ever had, and like GPT-4 humans are also trained on a huge >>> >> amount of data, without it n

Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

ge, forget Donald Trump, I now think GPT-4 is by far the most world shaking event and the most underreported one. Many of us have been talking about the singularity for decades, but now it looks like we're on its doorstep. You've got to look at this video! 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 I

Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

nt: Fri, Mar 17, 2023 11:32 am Subject: Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts) On Thu, Mar 16, 2023, 6:37 PM spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: To get to the point, I did advocate for a bit of skepticism for claiming consciousness for a computer system, and the retort was

Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

aol.com Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Mar 17, 2023 1:34 pm Subject: Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts) On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 6:37 PM wrote: > I took me under 10 min to locate a worthy article submitted for JC's > criticisms.  I'll be

Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

sness.  I just don't choose to blow past it so readily as JC does.  -Original Message- From: Stathis Papaioannou To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Mar 17, 2023 4:23 am Subject: Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts) On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 at 07:37,

Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 6:37 PM wrote: *> I took me under 10 min to locate a worthy article submitted for JC's > criticisms. * > I'll bet it took you less than 10 seconds, you popped two or three buzzwords into Google and then you picked the first one that came up and sent it to the list withou

Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

inable/shareable (in my opinion due in part to similar reasons as Gödelian incompleteness). First-person experiences are not explainable in third-person terms and can only be understood/experienced/known by being the system that has that particular experience. Jason > -Original Message---

Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 8:26 AM Telmo Menezes wrote: *> Well, this is Machine Learning 101. If you train a model, it will always > perform better* Well yes, if a machine couldn't learn then it wouldn't be intelligent! >> When human beings take an IQ test that is almost c

Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

ent and the most >>> >> underreported one. Many of us have been talking about the singularity >>> >> for decades, but now it looks like we're on its doorstep. You've got to >>> >> look at this video! >>> 4 Tes

Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

gt;> decades, but now it looks like we're on its doorstep. You've got to look at >> this video! >> 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts) >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFvDJnf0GXs&list=PLYXp_rV1HrBAOZqPJTOSo91275hKQrfpl&index=13> &

Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 at 07:37, spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > To get to the point, I did advocate for a bit of skepticism for claiming > consciousness for a computer system, and the retort was from JC that > essentially, we cannot even define what makes

Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

now > it looks like we're on its doorstep. You've got to look at this video! > > > 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts) > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFvDJnf0GXs&list=PLYXp_rV1HrBAOZqPJTOSo91275hKQrfpl&index=13> One crucial ques

Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

ime. Our our analog chips so mighty in 2022-3??? -Original Message- From: John Clark To: spudboy...@aol.com Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Mar 16, 2023 5:55 pm Subject: Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts) On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 4:50 PM wrote:

Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

- From: John Clark To: spudboy...@aol.com Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Mar 16, 2023 5:55 pm Subject: Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts) On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 4:50 PM wrote: > America executes prisoners for capital murder. So, legally, if a murde

Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

A Civil Case then??* As I've said, I'm not a lawyer. John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> ws8 u6c > -Original Message- > From: John Clark > To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >

Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

6, 2023 1:30 pm Subject: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts) Forget the Ukraine war, forget climate change, forget Donald Trump, I now think GPT-4 is by far the most world shaking event and the most underreported one.  Many of us have been talking about the singularity for deca

4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts)

ok at this video! 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts) <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFvDJnf0GXs&list=PLYXp_rV1HrBAOZqPJTOSo91275hKQrfpl&index=13> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> cdk --

Re: The original Turing Test

Turing would have been enthused to the Max. Now could he have done something to test it out?? What would Turing 1950 have concluded?  -Original Message- From: John Clark To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List Sent: Wed, Mar 1, 2023 9:50 am Subject: The original Turing Tes

Re: The original Turing Test

On Wed, Mar 1, 2023, 10:06 AM Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > Am Mi, 1. Mär 2023, um 15:50, schrieb John Clark: > > In Alan Turing's original paper in which he propose the thing that we now > call the Turing Test he gave this example of the sort of thing we might > ask a

Re: The original Turing Test

Am Mi, 1. Mär 2023, um 15:50, schrieb John Clark: > In Alan Turing's original paper in which he propose the thing that we now > call the Turing Test he gave this example of the sort of thing we might ask a > machine that claims to be intelligent and the answer we might expect

Re: When did Trump have his last negative test and first positive one?

many many lies. Virtually nobody tests negative for COVID-19 > and 24 hours later test positive, and 12 hours after that become so sick he > has to be medevaced to a hospital. And doctors refused to say, no doubt on > Trump's orders, when the president last had a negative test or whe

When did Trump have his last negative test and first positive one?

Trump claims that he is tested for COVID-19 every day and he only found out he had COVID-19 on Friday at 1 AM, but that is almost certainly another one of Trump's many many lies. Virtually nobody tests negative for COVID-19 and 24 hours later test positive, and 12 hours after that become so

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 02:23:52PM -0700, Alan Grayson wrote: > If you haven't viewed it, please do so. It's about the Turing Test, science > fiction, but the "special effects" aren't primarily photographic bells and > whistles, but the dialogue. the text, the

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

t 18, 2020 at 3:14:10 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 18 Aug 2020, at 08:07, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Concerning the Turing test, It makes no theoretical sense, but it can >>>> make some local practical sense. >&

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

according to Buddhism teachings, AI may venture into the realm >>>>> of the mental consciousness, but will never be able to reach the seventh >>>>> and eighth cognition. >>>> >>>> Really? >>>> >>>> >>>>

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

te: >> >> >> Concerning the Turing test, It makes no theoretical sense, but it can make >> some local practical sense. >> >> I am not conversant with your system or definitions. All I am asserting is >> that we believe we are conscious, or shall we say w

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 8:39:27 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 3:14:10 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 18 Aug 2020, at 08:07, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >>> Concerning the Turing test,

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

> But then attached itself to some universal body/representation/number []p, >>> and the laws of arithmetic are such that this one put an infinite mess in >>> Arithmetic, and that is nothing compared to the mess when they met and >>> multiply. >>> >>

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more complex to figure out in India and China. >> >> Thanks to Gödel and the logicians, the theology of machine is taught to >> logicians, but, not many realise, or appreciate, that as a platonic >> Pythagorean theory, it is testable (as it contains physics, or its invariant

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

s a platonic > Pythagorean theory, it is testable (as it contains physics, or its invariant > (for all universal machine) core). > > If interested I give you references, including good books on the mathematics > of self-reference. The mode “[]p & p” is a standard variant of []p

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

>>  >> >> >> On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 10:36:40 PM UTC-6, Beixiao Robert Liu wrote: >> Well, if the inquiry here concerns consciousness, then the question of >> whether a human should trust the AI, or whether the AI has the capacity to >> be t

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 3:14:10 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 18 Aug 2020, at 08:07, Alan Grayson > > wrote: > > >> Concerning the Turing test, It makes no theoretical sense, but it can >> make some local practical sense. >> >

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 10:26 AM Beixiao Robert Liu wrote: *> First of all, Buddha recognizes that ALL human beings have the capacity > of those eight cognitions. * Why does Buddha assume humans have all eight of those cognitions but computers don't have any regardless of how brilliantly they b

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

> On 18 Aug 2020, at 08:07, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > Concerning the Turing test, It makes no theoretical sense, but it can make > some local practical sense. > > I am not conversant with your system or definitions. All I am asserting is > that we believe we are co

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

> > > Concerning the Turing test, It makes no theoretical sense, but it can make > some local practical sense. > I am not conversant with your system or definitions. All I am asserting is that we believe we are conscious, or shall we say we have a property called "con

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

>>> On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 02:23:52PM -0700, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> If you haven't viewed it, please do so. It's about the Turing Test, science >>> fiction, but the "special effects" aren't primarily photographic bells and >>> whistles, b

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

> On 15 Aug 2020, at 23:23, Alan Grayson wrote: > > If you haven't viewed it, please do so. It's about the Turing Test, science > fiction, but the "special effects" aren't primarily photographic bells and > whistles, but the dialogue. the text, the l

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 4:37:13 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 5:23 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > *> *The subject could have been a black box, and still showing signs of >> what we can't really define; consciousness. *I think Ex Machina provides >> an answer of wh

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

First of all, Buddha recognizes that ALL human beings have the capacity of those eight cognitions. Then to tell whether a particular human being is using any of these eight cognitions, Buddha certainly observes his behavior. But here, Buddha’s observation is also not limited to the first five

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 9:55 AM Beixiao Robert Liu wrote: *> Therefore, if you reject the premise of Buddhism and then all its > theories* [...] > I'm not rejecting anything I'm just asking a question, if it's not by observing intelligent behavior then how does Buddha figure out if one of his fe

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

:40 PM UTC-6, Beixiao Robert Liu >>>> wrote: >>>> Well, if the inquiry here concerns consciousness, then the question of >>>> whether a human should trust the AI, or whether the AI has the capacity to >>>> be trusted by a human, ought to be part of

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

e inquiry, right? The movie >> listed others elements: compassion, sympathy, etc. I guess I was just using >> my wife’s off-the-cuff comment as a convenient way to suggest that Caleb >> might set the wrong threshold in his Turing test; and as a result, he gave >> a pass to th

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

>> listed others elements: compassion, sympathy, etc. I guess I was just using >> my wife’s off-the-cuff comment as a convenient way to suggest that Caleb >> might set the wrong threshold in his Turing test; and as a result, he gave a >> pass to the AI too easily, which la

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

se do so. It's about the Turing Test, > science fiction, but the "special effects" aren't primarily photographic > bells and whistles, but the dialogue. the text, the logic of the script. > Recently, we have argued about consciousness, what it is, and how we can

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 5:23 PM Alan Grayson wrote: *> *The subject could have been a black box, and still showing signs of > what we can't really define; consciousness. *I think Ex Machina provides > an answer of what we need to look for.* Ex Machina is indeed a great film, I liked it so much

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

quiry, right? The movie > listed others elements: compassion, sympathy, etc. I guess I was just using > my wife’s off-the-cuff comment as a convenient way to suggest that Caleb > might set the wrong threshold in his Turing test; and as a result, he gave > a pass to the AI too ea

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

my wife’s off-the-cuff comment as a convenient way to suggest that Caleb might set the wrong threshold in his Turing test; and as a result, he gave a pass to the AI too easily, which later proved fatally wrong. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 15, 2020, at 23:29, Alan Grayson wr

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

e to one streamer - so it might have to wait until if/when I > > do live in a country that has it in the Netflix catalogue. > > > > The tangled web of movie copyright arrangements... Bah! > > > >> On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 02:23:52PM -0700, Alan Grayson wrote

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

, 2020 at 02:23:52PM -0700, Alan Grayson wrote: >> If you haven't viewed it, please do so. It's about the Turing Test, science >> fiction, but the "special effects" aren't primarily photographic bells and >> whistles, but the dialogue. the text, the logic of th

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

ikander/dp/B00VWPQNJ4 AG > > The tangled web of movie copyright arrangements... Bah! > > On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 02:23:52PM -0700, Alan Grayson wrote: > > If you haven't viewed it, please do so. It's about the Turing Test, > science > > fiction, but the &quo

Re: Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

ht have to wait until if/when I do live in a country that has it in the Netflix catalogue. The tangled web of movie copyright arrangements... Bah! On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 02:23:52PM -0700, Alan Grayson wrote: > If you haven't viewed it, please do so. It's about the Turing Test

Ex Machina, the film, about the Turing Test

If you haven't viewed it, please do so. It's about the Turing Test, science fiction, but the "special effects" aren't primarily photographic bells and whistles, but the dialogue. the text, the logic of the script. Recently, we have argued about consciousness, what it is

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

Oops, I missed this mail. > On 19 Sep 2019, at 21:56, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 9/19/2019 4:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> You are just muddling the point. Computers don't evolve by random >>> variation with descent and natural (or artificial selection). They

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

On 9/19/2019 1:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: The devils in the details.  It's not a question of natural vs artificial (which you keep bringing up for no reason).  It's a question of whether AIs will necessarily have certain fundamental values that they try to implement, or

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 2:56 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 9/19/2019 4:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> You are just muddling the point. Computers don't evolve by random > >> variation with descent and natural (or artificial selection).

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

On 9/19/2019 4:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: You are just muddling the point.  Computers don't evolve by random variation with descent and natural (or artificial selection).  They evolve to satisfy us.  As such they do not need, and therefore won't have, motives to eat or be eaten or to reprod

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

> On 17 Sep 2019, at 10:33, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 2:15:52 AM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Monday, September 16, 2019 at 10:17:24 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > On 9/16/2019 7:49 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> On Monday, September 16, 2019 a

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

> On 17 Sep 2019, at 04:49, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 16, 2019 at 2:41:26 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > On 9/16/2019 6:07 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > My take on AI; it's no more dangerous than present day computers, > > because it has no WILL, and can only do what it'

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

> On 16 Sep 2019, at 22:41, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 9/16/2019 6:07 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> My take on AI; it's no more dangerous than present day computers, because it >> has no WILL, and can only do what it's told to do. I suppose it could be >> told to d

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

> On 16 Sep 2019, at 21:56, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 9/16/2019 4:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 16 Sep 2019, at 06:59, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9/15/2019 5:18 AM, Br

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 2:15:52 AM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 16, 2019 at 10:17:24 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 9/16/2019 7:49 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, September 16, 2019 at 2:41:26 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9/

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

On Monday, September 16, 2019 at 10:17:24 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/16/2019 7:49 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 16, 2019 at 2:41:26 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 9/16/2019 6:07 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> > My take on AI; it's no more dangerous than presen

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

On 9/16/2019 7:49 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Monday, September 16, 2019 at 2:41:26 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 9/16/2019 6:07 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: > My take on AI; it's no more dangerous than present day computers, > because it has no WILL, and can only do what it's told to do

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

On Monday, September 16, 2019 at 2:41:26 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/16/2019 6:07 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > My take on AI; it's no more dangerous than present day computers, > > because it has no WILL, and can only do what it's told to do. I > > suppose it could be told to do bad thi

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

On 9/16/2019 6:07 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: My take on AI; it's no more dangerous than present day computers, because it has no WILL, and can only do what it's told to do. I suppose it could be told to do bad things, and if it has inherent defenses, it can't be stopped, like Gort in The Day th

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

On 9/16/2019 4:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Sep 2019, at 06:59, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 9/15/2019 5:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Why would it even have a simple goal like "survive”? It is a short code which makes the or

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 4:06:33 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > Just 4 years ago 700 AI programs competed against each other and tried to > pass a 8th-Grade multiple choice Science Test and win a $80,000 prize, but > they all flunked, the best one only got 59.3% of t

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

> On 16 Sep 2019, at 06:59, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 9/15/2019 5:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> Why would it even have a simple goal like "survive”? >> It is a short code which makes the organism better for eating and avoiding >> being eaten. > > An organism

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

> On 15 Sep 2019, at 14:51, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 13, 2019 at 9:51:01 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Friday, September 13, 2019 at 9:07:58 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 9:18 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > >> The only thing I can ascri

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

On 9/15/2019 5:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Why would it even have a simple goal like "survive”? It is a short code which makes the organism better for eating and avoiding being eaten. An organism needs to eat and avoid being eaten because that what evolution selects.  AIs don't evolve by n

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

On Sunday, September 15, 2019 at 7:51:55 AM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 13, 2019 at 9:51:01 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> *Bruno seems to think that if some imaginary entity is "computable", it > can and must exist as a "physical" entity -- which is why I

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

On Friday, September 13, 2019 at 9:51:01 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 13, 2019 at 9:07:58 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 9:18 AM Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> The only thing I can ascribe consciousness to with absolute certainty is me

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

> On 13 Sep 2019, at 23:25, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 9/13/2019 4:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 12 Sep 2019, at 06:52, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9/11/2019 9:33 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote: On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 10

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

On 9/13/2019 4:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Sep 2019, at 06:52, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 9/11/2019 9:33 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote: On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 10:43:40AM -0700, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 9/9/2019 10:16 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote: On Mon,

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

On Friday, September 13, 2019 at 9:07:58 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 9:18 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > >> The only thing I can ascribe consciousness to with absolute certainty >>> is me. As for intelligence, if something, man or machine, has no way of >>> knowing wh

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 9:18 AM Alan Grayson wrote: >> The only thing I can ascribe consciousness to with absolute certainty is >> me. As for intelligence, if something, man or machine, has no way of >> knowing when it made a mistake or got a question wrong it will never get any >> better, but if

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

On Friday, September 13, 2019 at 6:15:08 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 3:35 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > *> If it knows which questions it got wrong, and the correct reply, it >> could easily be programmed to improve over time without ascribing >> "intelligence" or "c

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 3:35 AM Alan Grayson wrote: *> If it knows which questions it got wrong, and the correct reply, it > could easily be programmed to improve over time without ascribing > "intelligence" or "consciousness" to it. Can't you admit that? AG* The only thing I can ascribe consc

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

> On 12 Sep 2019, at 06:52, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 9/11/2019 9:33 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 10:43:40AM -0700, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> wrote: >>> >>> On 9/9/2019 10:16 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote: On Mon, Sep 09, 2019 at 0

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 4:06:33 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > Just 4 years ago 700 AI programs competed against each other and tried to > pass a 8th-Grade multiple choice Science Test and win a $80,000 prize, but > they all flunked, the best one only got 59.3% of t

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

the graphene bodies, so useful for interstellar travel.  -Original Message- From: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List To: everything-list Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2019 12:52 am Subject: Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test On 9/11/2019 9:33 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote: > O

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

On 9/11/2019 9:33 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote: On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 10:43:40AM -0700, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 9/9/2019 10:16 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote: On Mon, Sep 09, 2019 at 07:34:19PM -0700, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 9/9/2019 6:55 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 10:43:40AM -0700, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: > > > On 9/9/2019 10:16 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote: > >On Mon, Sep 09, 2019 at 07:34:19PM -0700, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > >wrote: > >> > >>On 9/9/2019 6:55 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote: > >>>On Mon, Sep 09, 2019

Re: An AI can now pass a 12th-Grade Science Test

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 7:29 PM 'Brent Meeker' < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: *>>> I think they would be careful NOT have it value its survival. * > > >> I think that would mean the AI would need to be in intense constant > pain for that to happen, or be deeply depressed like the robo

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