Re: the redness of the red

Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:10 PM, soulcatcher☠ > wrote: Let me explain with example. Suppose, that you: 1. simulate my brain in a computer program, so we can say that this program represents my brain in your symbols. 2. simulate a

Re: the redness of the red

On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:10 PM, soulcatcher☠ wrote: > Let me explain with example. Suppose, that you: > 1. simulate my brain in a computer program, so we can say that this > program represents my brain in your symbols. > 2. simulate a red rose > 3. feed "rose data" into my simulated brain. > I th

Re: the redness of the red

infinite number of Gods, each dreaming their own universe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E-_DdX8Ke0 > > So you think the software mind in a software environment would never >> question the redness of red, when the robot brain would? >> >> No, I think that good enough sim

Re: the redness of the red

soulcatcher? wrote: Do you see the meaning of physical laws being somehow different from the programmed laws that simulate an environment? Yes, I feel that simulated mind is not identical to the real one. Simulation is only the extension of the mind - just a tool, a "mental crutch", a

Re: the redness of the red

; > No, I think that good enough simulation of me must question the redness of the red simply by definition - because I'm questioning and it simulates my behavior. Nevertheless, I think that this simulation won't be conscious and has only descriptive power, like a reflection in the mir

Re: the redness of the red

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:27 AM, soulcatcher☠ wrote: > Do you see the meaning of physical laws being somehow different from the >> programmed laws that simulate an environment? >> > Yes, I feel that simulated mind is not identical to the real one. > Simulation is only the extension of the mind - ju

Re: the redness of the red

> > Do you see the meaning of physical laws being somehow different from the > programmed laws that simulate an environment? > Yes, I feel that simulated mind is not identical to the real one. Simulation is only the extension of the mind - just a tool, a "mental crutch", a pluggable module that giv

Re: the redness of the red

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:05 AM, soulcatcher☠ wrote: > What would you say about this setup: >> >> Computer Simulation->Physical Universe->Your Brain >> >> That is to say, what if our physical universe were simulated in some >> alien's computer instead of being some primitive "physical" world? >> >

Re: the redness of the red

> > What would you say about this setup: > > Computer Simulation->Physical Universe->Your Brain > > That is to say, what if our physical universe were simulated in some > alien's computer instead of being some primitive "physical" world? > This setup doesn't sound very convincing to me: - I believ

Re: the redness of the red

On 31 Jan 2010, at 03:10, soulcatcher☠ wrote: I see a red rose. You see a red rose. Is your experience of redness the same as mine? 1. Yes, they are identical. 2. They are different as long as neural organization of our brains is slightly different, but you are potentially capable of experienci

Re: the redness of the red

On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:10 PM, soulcatcher☠ wrote: > I see a red rose. You see a red rose. Is your experience of redness > the same as mine? > 1. Yes, they are identical. > 2. They are different as long as neural organization of our brains is > slightly different, but you are potentially capable

Re: the redness of the red

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:10 PM, soulcatcher☠ wrote: > >> I see a red rose. You see a red rose. Is your experience of redness >> the same as mine? >> 1. Yes, they are identical. >> 2. They are different as long as neural organization of ou

Re: the redness of the red

On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:10 PM, soulcatcher☠ wrote: > I see a red rose. You see a red rose. Is your experience of redness > the same as mine? > 1. Yes, they are identical. > 2. They are different as long as neural organization of our brains is > slightly different, but you are potentially capable

Re: the redness of the red

soulcatcher? wrote: I see a red rose. You see a red rose. Is your experience of redness the same as mine? 1. Yes, they are identical. 2. They are different as long as neural organization of our brains is slightly different, but you are potentially capable of experiencing my redness with some help

the redness of the red

I see a red rose. You see a red rose. Is your experience of redness the same as mine? 1. Yes, they are identical. 2. They are different as long as neural organization of our brains is slightly different, but you are potentially capable of experiencing my redness with some help from neurosurgeon who