Re: MGA revisited paper + supervenience

2014-09-28 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Russell Standish wrote: > On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 03:43:56PM +0200, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Russell Standish > > > wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 05:33:00AM +0200, Platonist Guitar Cowboy > wrote: > > > > On S

Re: MGA revisited paper + supervenience

2014-09-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Sep 2014, at 20:41, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 , Bruno Marchal wrote: > Your clearly ignore the entire field of philosophy of mind. You almost make that sound like a bad thing. You might get help by reading some book, like Kim on supervenience, or Tye's book on "8 probl

Re: MGA revisited paper + supervenience

2014-09-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 26 Sep 2014, at 10:14, Russell Standish wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 03:17:07AM +0200, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 1:03 AM, Russell Standish > wrote: Well done for being obtuse! The platonically malleable urstuff is usually taken to be integer arithmetic, a

Re: MGA revisited paper + supervenience

2014-09-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 26 Sep 2014, at 19:06, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > Computationalism involves the notion of computation Obviously, otherwise it would be a very misleading name. Then don't equate computationalism and materialism. The second term does not

Re: MGA revisited paper + supervenience

2014-09-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Sep 2014, at 00:13, meekerdb wrote: On 9/26/2014 11:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Sep 2014, at 09:18, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 07:05:43PM -0700, meekerdb wrote: On 9/24/2014 6:53 PM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Telmo Menezes mailto:

Re: MGA revisited paper + supervenience

2014-09-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Sep 2014, at 08:40, Russell Standish wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 06:49:33PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: We agree, but after the reversal "materialism" has not the same meaning than before the reversal, and I agree with your use, as it is coherent with comp, but it can be misleading

Re: MGA revisited paper + supervenience

2014-09-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Sep 2014, at 15:43, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Russell Standish > wrote: On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 05:33:00AM +0200, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 3:39 AM, Russell Standish > > wrote: > > So I don't see: robust universe =>

Re: MGA revisited paper + supervenience

2014-09-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Sep 2014, at 01:39, Russell Standish wrote: On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 03:43:56PM +0200, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Russell Standish > wrote: On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 05:33:00AM +0200, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 3:39 AM, R

Re: MGA revisited paper + supervenience

2014-09-28 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > It seems to me that the MGA makes the robust/non-robustness irrelevant. What creates ambiguity is to not know where somebody, from you to everybody on the list here, is talking from. I know the system in place is to relate by referr

Re: MGA revisited paper + supervenience

2014-09-28 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 07:35:44PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 27 Sep 2014, at 15:43, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > > > >On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Russell Standish > > wrote: > >On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 05:33:00AM +0200, Platonist Guitar Cowboy > >wrote: > >> On Sat, Sep 27,

Re: MGA revisited paper + supervenience

2014-09-28 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 06:46:24PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > >Additionally, in a robust universe, the Church-Turing thesis tells us > >that physics we supervene on must be emergent from the properties of > >universal systems (Bruno's reversal result). Thus the matter we > >supervene > >on c