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Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 12:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Yes, Scanmail for Exchange is Trend's product that scans incoming/outgoing
e-mail.
As far as Spam filters, you just need to be careful of what the action
: Matt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Friday, August 22, 2003 8:46 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
I thought trend scamail for exchange can handle is stores. I just
installed trend scanmail for exchange 2k and
Matt
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From: Veld, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:16 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
"I don't blindly recommend anything, except maybe my wife's three cheese
pasta in a pot.".
n Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:50 AM Posted To: Exchange
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Thanks, John. I didn't want to come across as harsh, I just wanted you
to provide some reaso
rle, Simon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu 21/08/2003 13:32
To: Exchange Discussions
Cc:
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
This company has three levels of protection, it didn't stop Sobig getting
in, but it has sto
d At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:50 AM
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Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Thanks, John. I didn't want to come across as harsh, I just wanted you
to provide some reasoning for why you felt that way. I&
This company has three levels of protection, it didn't stop Sobig getting
in, but it has stopped it getting back out again!
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From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 20 August 2003 13:39
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
I was c
From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 7:20 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
And we don't even want to get into my observation of the whole thing...
FWIW Mitchell, one ought not act like an a$$ if one expects to be lef
Moi? :P
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From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 11:04 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Aye Carumba!
Don, I'd hate to have you or any one of about two dozen other people on
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Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 7:20 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
And we don't even want to get into my observation of the whole thing...
FWIW Mitchell, one ought not act like an a$$ if one expects to be left
alone. And I mean that in oh so
Mitchell seems to like leading with his arse...
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From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:41 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
I try to lead by example.
> -Original Message-
>
I try to lead by example.
> -Original Message-
> From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 21 August 2003 15:31
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
>
> And so it begins...
>
> At least Robert spelled *plonk* correct
lmao
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From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:31 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
And so it begins...
At least Robert spelled *plonk* correctly...
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From: Robert
And so it begins...
At least Robert spelled *plonk* correctly...
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From: Robert Moir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:31 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Well you certainly are persuasive.
*plonk
Well you certainly are persuasive.
*plonk*
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> From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 21 August 2003 14:57
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
>
> What an asshole
>
> Thank
mme know if you need
"anything" ;)
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From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:07 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Observation:
Messages in my Exch-Swynk folder since 2003-01-15: 82
st 21, 2003 10:01
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
You are right Tony, What I should have said is:
Boy what a prick, *ploink* goes the asshole.
Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
** (Pick Two)**
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From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
418
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From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:05 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Well his attitude says otherwise. Very defensive to
ed To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
If that were the case Ben, those of us who run Symantec products both
against the mailstore and as file based would have problems, would we
not? No problems here...
Thank you,
Mitchell D.
vis Inc.
[1] A few of which were actually good
> -Original Message-
> From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:57 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
>
>
> What an asshole
were actually good
> -Original Message-
> From: Lawrence, Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:57 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
>
>
> What an asshole
>
> Thank you,
> Mitche
Layers of Virus protection.
Boy, I am going to have to say a Rosary for both you guys.
From: "Lawrence, Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: RE: 3 La
Boy, I am going to have to say a Rosary for both you guys.
From: "Lawrence, Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protectio
What an asshole
Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
** (Pick Two)**
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From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Bite me. If
protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
He did seem a bit defensive didn't he?
Thank you,
Mitchell D. Lawrence
Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
** (Pick Two)**
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From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:50 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Thanks, John. I didn't want to come across as harsh, I just wanted you
to provide some reasoning for why you felt that way. I've seen so many
post
e
(317) 581-1580 ext 418
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From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:32 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
I understood that you had not scanned the Ex
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> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:35 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
>
>
> He did seem a bit defensive didn't he?
>
> Thank you,
> Mitchell D. Lawrence
> Network Administrator/Systems Analyst
> *
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM
Posted To: Exchange Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
I don't have a corrupted database. Why would you or what leads you to
make
nzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:04 AM
Posted To: Exchange Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
I don't have a corrupted database. Why would you or what leads you to
make that assumptio
We have 3. McAfee all the way.
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From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:39 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
I was curious how many have 3 layers of protection for their email systems.
My current
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From: Martin, Jon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 4:07 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
One note related to this. It seems to me that having more than one vendor is as
important as having multiple layers
It was made with lava and sable tooth tiger.
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From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
well when my dad was a kid...a milk shake cost 10 cent's
well when my dad was a kid...a milk shake cost 10 cent's
and we liked it!
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From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 4:17 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
I remember as a kid durin
: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:02 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
That's how I remember it. I love Antigen.
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From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:40 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject:
One note related to this. It seems to me that having more than one vendor is as
important as having multiple layers. If you have three or four layers of 'insert your
AV vendor here' products and they miss the boat on some virus, then all of those
layers are irrelevant.
Jon
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That's how I remember it. I love Antigen.
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From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:40 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Actually, I think you get two engines of your choice for free
We will have 4 levels shortly, using 3 different vendors.
1. Have TrendMicro on the Exchange Servers for the mailboxes.
2. Have McAfee for file scanning on the server level (saved our butts a
couple of times).
3. Have McAfee on the Desktop level.
4. Soon to have Mirapoint installed as front end r
: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
We use McAfee's e250 through which all traffic in and out of the network is
proxied. We have GroupShield on the Exchange Server and VirusScan Enterprise
on the desktops. Everything is managed with ePolicy Orchestrator. So far, so
good...knock on wood.
John
We use McAfee's e250 through which all traffic in and out of the network is
proxied. We have GroupShield on the Exchange Server and VirusScan Enterprise
on the desktops. Everything is managed with ePolicy Orchestrator. So far, so
good...knock on wood.
John Orban
System Administrator
The Country Sc
yes. but the soup is included with the lunch special
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From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:39 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Ill take the beef and broccoli, and the fried rice
Ill take the beef and broccoli, and the fried rice.
Do I have to pay extra for the egg fu yung?
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From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:40 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Actually, I
Actually, I think you get two engines of your choice for free, and beyond that they
cost extra.
-Peter
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From: Coleman, Hunter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:05
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Check
Check with Sybari, but I believe that when you license Antigen you get one
engine license included.
Hunter
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From: by [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:26 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Does that mean
Which is why it works so well at keeping an exchange environment virus
free :)
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From: Mellott, Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:46 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
I think that is the answer to
I think that is the answer to the universe...
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From: Alverson, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 12:32 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
OK you win.
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From: Andy David [mailto
OK you win.
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From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:50 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
42.
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From: "Hurst, Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "
We have 3 1/2 layers:
1- custom smap based linux box with spam filtering, attachment blocking, and
some custom blocking of known bad stuff (this one is the 1/2 since it
doesn't really scan for known viruses, just virus like emails)
2- Symantec Antivirus for SMTP Gateways: This is a separate mach
Behalf Of Chris Scharff
Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2003 1:13 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Sybari focused on developing the application framework. Virus engines
are provided by several 3rd party vendors. There are a number of
settings which can be tweaked with
Well...after three more from that mental midget, I can tell you we won't
have to worry about him/her for awhile.
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From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:16 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus prote
ktops.
From: "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:51:52 -0700
When I was a messaging consul
We use four layers of protection as well:
1. Linux gateway doing subject and file type blocking.
2. NAV MSE on the mail servers.
3. NAV CE on all the desktops
4. NAV CE on all the servers.
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From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003
When I was a messaging consultant I worked for a very large oil company
(well over 100k seats) that had scanning done on the SMTP gateways and on
the desktop, but nothing on the Exchange side (something like 120 e2k
servers). From what I remember they had not had a email born virus
outbreak\infect
42.
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From: "Hurst, Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:40 AM
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
> We use 3.
>
> Cheers
>
> Paul
>
>
We use 3.
Cheers
Paul
Standards are like toothbrushes,
everyone wants one but not yours
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From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:39 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
I was curious how many have 3
We have Messagelabs -> NAV for Gateways -> NAV for Exchange -> NAV
Corporate on the desktops.
Seems to work well as we've never had a virus reach one of the desktops.
Steve
> -Original Message-
> From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
> T
We here at the San Diego Community College District have 3, Trend for email,
Trend for servers and Cheyenne for the desk top.
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From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:39 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protecti
rom: Ben Winzenz
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:04 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
I don't have a corrupted database. Why would you or what leads you to
make that assumption? I have no 1018 er
: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Pardon my ignorance here about Sybari product. Doesn't it have its
propriery engine - why use Sophos and Norman Data Defense engine in this
instance?
Or perhaps, Sybari has to depend on 3rd party's AV engine ?
-Origin
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From: by [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:06 AM
Posted To: swynk
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Pardon my ignorance here about Sybari product. Doesn't it have its
propriery engine - why use Sophos and N
ehalf Of Edgington, Jeff
Sent: Wednesday, 20 August 2003 10:53 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Three here as well.
Sybari running Sophos engine on the protocol servers (all SMTP mail
passes through them, they are in an NLB cluster)
Mailbox Servers have S
0 ext 418
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From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:46 AM
Posted To: Exchange (Swynk)
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Ben:
Sounds like you may have a corrupted
That's a mighty big hole to leave open - one of your users POPs their home
account, or hits Hotmail/YahooMail/etc and pulls down an email worm, you're
100% infected internally. Not a risk I'd take.
We do 3 tier - gateway, Exchange and desktop. I wouldn't do less than that
anymore.
---
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Ben:
Sounds like you may have a corrupted database. Have you thought
about running maintenance on the server?
John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
-Original Message-
From: Ben Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL
20, 2003 9:28 AM
Posted To: Exchange Discussion List
Conversation: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for
Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server
a coup
We had been running 3 layers until it seems that Symantec's product for
Exchange 2000 (coupled with Corp Ed as file level) locked up the server
a couple of times. I can't prove it was Symantec, but I removed all AV
off our Exchange server, and it hasn't had a problem since. And yes,
I'm not stupi
We use 3.
We use Sophos on the mail gateway (MailSweeper), NAV MSE at server level,
NAV CE (excluding Exch) then NAV CE at desktop.
Despite MailSweeper blocking/quarantining 99.999% of everything we ask it
to, I have seen the odd thing get through.
We also get the odd 'prat' that 'bypasses' polic
of the protocol servers)
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From: Couch, Nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
We have three on most of our customers.
Nate Couch
EDS Messaging
> --
>
Good point
From: Martin Blackstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 05:49:15 -0700
We do. We have an SMTP
We do. We have an SMTP AV gateway/Anti SPAM box. Exchange AV. Desktop and
Server AV.
Remember, if a VPN or dialup user opens their hotmail at home and launches a
virus, its going straight for the OL contacts via Exchange. An SMTP gateway
isnt going to help you one bit. The desktop MAY catch it.
-
We have three on most of our customers.
Nate Couch
EDS Messaging
> --
> From: Tony Hlabse
> Reply To: Exchange Discussions
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:39 AM
> To: Exchange Discussions
> Subject: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
>
> I was curious how man
ns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: 3 Layers of Virus protection.
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:45:24 +0100
We use two, Scanmail on the Exchange boxes and F-Prot on one of our
gateways.
In fairness Scanmail's never missed
We use two, Scanmail on the Exchange boxes and F-Prot on one of our
gateways.
In fairness Scanmail's never missed anything, but for $20 it seemed sensible
to double-up.
Not sure I'd be comfortable not scanning internal IS traffic though?
regards,
Paul
--
Paul Hutchings
Network Administrator, M
We only run a 2 tier AV protection as well. Mailsweeper at the Gateway
and Sophos on the Desktops. We are looking into Sophos for Exchange,
but I'm not sure we even need it. Our level of detection and protection
so far has been outstanding.
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