On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 12:30, Charlie M. wrote:
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September 19, 2003 12:55 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
On Friday September 19 2003 01:03 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
Which brings us back again to the question as to whether
downloads should be
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September 20, 2003 01:06 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
Since Mandrake is heavily dependant on the community for
development, software contributions and patches, testing and bug
reports, makin the distro unavailable for d/l till after
On Sat Sep 20, 2003 at 01:23:03AM -0600, Charlie M. wrote:
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- From what I've seen so far from the boxes I've 'cooked'; and the postings on
cooker from people regarding their upgrade experiences, it's looking as
though the urpmi upgrade path will be less trouble than at any previous
On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 03:06, James Sparenberg wrote:
Actually I'm planning on waiting a week.. Why? Well I want to do a
urpmi based upgrade. Let the mirrors coold down. follow the directions
and see if I either
1. Have a working box.
2. Have a reason to re-install.
I'm hoping
On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 06:02, ed tharp wrote:
On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 03:06, James Sparenberg wrote:
Actually I'm planning on waiting a week.. Why? Well I want to do a
urpmi based upgrade. Let the mirrors coold down. follow the directions
and see if I either
1. Have a working
James Sparenberg schrieb am Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:23:03 -0700:
[lesson on sales figures]
Now yes the sales numbers are small (they better be) One Fry's near
me does 300 RH boxes a month on average (insider knowledge here.) or
3600 a year. They aren't the top store either. Times the 20
On September 18, 2003 07:23 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
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... (Less exposure always means decreased
sales. period. Anyone who says otherwise needs to go to work for
Ovaltine.) (note: Ovaltine was the #1 chocolate Milk powder in the US
with about 80%
John Wilson schrieb am Fri, 19 Sep 2003 01:11:28 -0700:
That would be a natural partnership, and I doubt that even Wolfgang
can find fault with that idea. :-)
Of course not! :)
Every idea which helps Mandrake sell boxes is a good idea. But wasn't
there a bit of polluted air between Walmart and
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 00:04, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
James Sparenberg schrieb am Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:23:03 -0700:
[lesson on sales figures]
Now yes the sales numbers are small (they better be) One Fry's near
me does 300 RH boxes a month on average (insider knowledge here.) or
3600 a
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 22:23, James Sparenberg wrote:
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just some food for thought. ( I spent t much time in logistics
the last 20 years. *sigh*)
I can sure Identify with the last statement there... only I have more
like
but it occurs to me that logistics/distribution and
ed tharp schrieb am 19 Sep 2003 06:10:19 -0400:
Having a contractor who appreciates the GPL as a community (and so
gives back to the community fairly) is (in my view, anyway) almost as
important as their ability to get the boxes shipped.
You know any?
Dealing with such contractors is not
On Friday 19 Sep 2003 11:39 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
After he sold the first 20 Mandrake 9.1 PowerPacks he could not get
any more from his wholesaler. He told me that they told him to wait
for a couple of weeks. He refrained because after a couple of
weeks it's not new anymore and people
On Friday 19 Sep 2003 1:07 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Friday 19 Sep 2003 11:39 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
After he sold the first 20 Mandrake 9.1 PowerPacks he could not get
any more from his wholesaler. He told me that they told him to wait
for a couple of weeks. He refrained because after
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 05:07, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Friday 19 Sep 2003 11:39 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
After he sold the first 20 Mandrake 9.1 PowerPacks he could not get
any more from his wholesaler. He told me that they told him to wait
for a couple of weeks. He refrained because after
On Friday September 19 2003 01:03 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
Which brings us back again to the question as to whether
downloads should be available as quickly as they are at
present. Idealogically, yes, but in terms of income, maybe not.
Anne
Careful here... I suggested that around
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September 19, 2003 12:55 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
On Friday September 19 2003 01:03 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
Which brings us back again to the question as to whether
downloads should be available as quickly as they are at
present.
On Friday 19 Sep 2003 7:03 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
Which brings us back again to the question as to whether
downloads should be available as quickly as they are at present.
Idealogically, yes, but in terms of income, maybe not.
Anne
Careful here... I suggested that around the time
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 06:39, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
ed tharp schrieb am 19 Sep 2003 06:10:19 -0400:
Having a contractor who appreciates the GPL as a community (and so
gives back to the community fairly) is (in my view, anyway) almost as
important as their ability to get the boxes
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 11:34, John Wilson wrote:
On September 17, 2003 10:24 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
Compusa
now has a Linux aisle dominated by RH and SuSE box sets Fry's has put
RH both in the aisle and on an endcap (which by the way was the way they
sold MDK up through 7.2) The key
James Sparenberg schrieb am Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:12:28 -0700:
One thing MDK has never been good
at is tooting their own horn. I'm tired of seeing red hats and
Lethargic Lizards at Linux world etc. We need more Top Hats *grin*.
Although I agree to this in full I have to point out that we
On Wednesday 17 September 2003 09:21, Anne Wilson wrote:
Finally, I would like to remind users that this is not a closed
'club'. We welcome material from any user, particularly if they are
able to add to the hardware compatibility pages, or able to write a
mini HOW-TO on any of the frequently
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 04:25, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
James Sparenberg schrieb am Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:12:28 -0700:
One thing MDK has never been good
at is tooting their own horn. I'm tired of seeing red hats and
Lethargic Lizards at Linux world etc. We need more Top Hats *grin*.
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 07:25, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
James Sparenberg schrieb am Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:12:28 -0700:
One thing MDK has never been good
at is tooting their own horn. I'm tired of seeing red hats and
Lethargic Lizards at Linux world etc. We need more Top Hats *grin*.
ed tharp schrieb am 18 Sep 2003 18:12:32 -0400:
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 07:25, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
Being presented at exhibitions, distributing boxes overseas (USA,
Canada, Australia) is a costly venture which is right now just not
paying back.
Here's the thing, as I see it,,,
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 15:57, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
ed tharp schrieb am 18 Sep 2003 18:12:32 -0400:
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 07:25, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
Being presented at exhibitions, distributing boxes overseas (USA,
Canada, Australia) is a costly venture which is right now just
On September 16, 2003 09:29 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
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It sounds good except for one thing. In the developed world the US has
less than half the broadband penetration of any other country. (Canada has
about a 50% penetration, Korea 80% the US only 20%)
Actually Canada is now up to
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 23:33, John Wilson wrote:
On September 16, 2003 09:29 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
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It sounds good except for one thing. In the developed world the US has
less than half the broadband penetration of any other country. (Canada has
about a 50% penetration, Korea
On Tuesday 16 Sep 2003 10:40 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
On Tuesday 16 September 2003 23:02, Anne Wilson wrote:
Write to our favourite mags,
regularly, quoting Mandrake as often as possible.
Not a bad idea (I'm a LXF subscriber too), could be worth our while
to make our preferences known. I
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:02 am, many eyes noted that Anne Wilson wrote:
On Tuesday 16 Sep 2003 9:33 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
Anyway, if we feel that the retail market would start to grow up
again, we would certainly consider to address it again. We're also
aware that being on shelves is
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:29 pm, many eyes noted that James Sparenberg wrote:
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Anyway, if we feel that the retail market would start to grow up again,
we would certainly consider to address it again. We're also aware that
being on shelves is good for mindshare.
Regards,
Gaël.
James Sparenberg schrieb am Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:29:32 -0700:
Are people downloading to save money, or, are they downloading just to
get the product. No I don't have all the data, Gael has more. But,
the 20% drop in sales is consistent with the drop other software
vendors and retailers are
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 07:28, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
James Sparenberg schrieb am Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:29:32 -0700:
Are people downloading to save money, or, are they downloading just to
get the product. No I don't have all the data, Gael has more. But,
the 20% drop in sales is consistent
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 08:01, ed tharp wrote:
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 07:28, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
James Sparenberg schrieb am Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:29:32 -0700:
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For Mandrake it is no change. Production and distribution of boxes is a
very cost consuming thing which is not very
On Wednesday 17 September 2003 14:18, ed tharp wrote:
yes,,, but it still seems to me a gold mine for some entrepreneur who
can put it together to be a hands off distribution contractor where
the distribution and printing of the product are taken off MDKsofts
hands, and done by someone with as
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 06:00, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
On Wednesday 17 September 2003 14:18, ed tharp wrote:
yes,,, but it still seems to me a gold mine for some entrepreneur who
can put it together to be a hands off distribution contractor where
the distribution and printing of the product are
Whereas you could well be right. You wouldn't know it here. Compusa
now has a Linux aisle dominated by RH and SuSE box sets Fry's has put
RH both in the aisle and on an endcap (which by the way was the way they
sold MDK up through 7.2) The key seems to be the 3 disk sets as far as
a
On September 17, 2003 10:24 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
Compusa
now has a Linux aisle dominated by RH and SuSE box sets Fry's has put
RH both in the aisle and on an endcap (which by the way was the way they
sold MDK up through 7.2) The key seems to be the 3 disk sets as far as
a sales leader
On Wednesday 17 September 2003 20:34, John Wilson wrote:
It all comes down to a chicken and egg argument. People who try Linux will
opt for RedHat or SuSE because it's on the shelves. Mandrake barely even
comes into it until some poor soul who bought RedHat suddenly realizes what
a pain in
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 09:08:49AM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
I really would like to see some authorative statement as to why
Mandrake has this visibility problem. Linux has little shelf-space
in the UK, but I have *never* seen a Mandrake box.
Admittedly, I've been wondering about this as
T. Ribbrock wrote:
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 09:08:49AM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
I really would like to see some authorative statement as to why
Mandrake has this visibility problem. Linux has little shelf-space
in the UK, but I have *never* seen a Mandrake box.
There are Mandrake boxes
On Tuesday 16 Sep 2003 9:46 am, Eric Fernandez wrote:
T. Ribbrock wrote:
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 09:08:49AM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
I really would like to see some authorative statement as to why
Mandrake has this visibility problem. Linux has little
shelf-space in the UK, but I have
Anne Wilson wrote:
On Tuesday 16 Sep 2003 9:46 am, Eric Fernandez wrote:
T. Ribbrock wrote:
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 09:08:49AM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
I really would like to see some authorative statement as to why
Mandrake has this visibility problem. Linux has little
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 04:57, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Tuesday 16 Sep 2003 9:46 am, Eric Fernandez wrote:
T. Ribbrock wrote:
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 09:08:49AM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
I really would like to see some authorative statement as to why
Mandrake has this visibility problem.
ed tharp wrote:
When you look, see if the box has any mention of McMillian Publishing.
THese are the same company that puts out Que books, and at one time
was the USA (possibly IIRC for the English language Areas version)
distributor for MDK, and may still be.
The boxes I saw in Canterbury were
On Tuesday 16 September 2003 10:33, T. Ribbrock wrote:
Admittedly, I've been wondering about this as well. In the
Netherlands, *if* I see a distro in the shops, it's SuSE or Red Hat
and that's it.
Cheerio,
Thomas
I've noticed the same and also noticed that what is on offer, is usually
Around here (it was Borders i think) Mandrake 9.0 was on the shelf nect
to RedHat. I noticed it just before 9.1 came out, and i didn't get the
idea it just showed up. Of coure, i live in pasadena, california, 1
mile from where the old US Mandrake office was...
--
Mandrake HowTo's More:
On September 16, 2003 03:00 am, ed tharp wrote:
When you look, see if the box has any mention of McMillian Publishing.
THese are the same company that puts out Que books, and at one time
was the USA (possibly IIRC for the English language Areas version)
distributor for MDK, and may still be.
John Wilson schrieb am Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:41:03 -0700:
My assumption is that either the entry into bankruptcy protection
messed up their distrubtion channels and McMillian pulled back or that
someone just dropped the ball in North America.
Sorry to say, but: no.
I took the freedom to
On Tuesday 16 Sep 2003 9:33 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
Anyway, if we feel that the retail market would start to grow up
again, we would certainly consider to address it again. We're also
aware that being on shelves is good for mindshare.
Regards,
Gaël.
unquote
I can see his
On Tuesday 16 September 2003 23:02, Anne Wilson wrote:
Write to our favourite mags,
regularly, quoting Mandrake as often as possible.
Not a bad idea (I'm a LXF subscriber too), could be worth our while to make
our preferences known. I bet there's quite a few of us here.
Ann you are priceless
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 16:33, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
John Wilson schrieb am Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:41:03 -0700:
My assumption is that either the entry into bankruptcy protection
messed up their distrubtion channels and McMillian pulled back or that
someone just dropped the ball in North
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 01:33, T. Ribbrock wrote:
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 09:08:49AM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
I really would like to see some authorative statement as to why
Mandrake has this visibility problem. Linux has little shelf-space
in the UK, but I have *never* seen a Mandrake
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 03:04, Eric Fernandez wrote:
ed tharp wrote:
When you look, see if the box has any mention of McMillian Publishing.
THese are the same company that puts out Que books, and at one time
was the USA (possibly IIRC for the English language Areas version)
distributor for
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 13:33, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
John Wilson schrieb am Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:41:03 -0700:
My assumption is that either the entry into bankruptcy protection
messed up their distrubtion channels and McMillian pulled back or that
someone just dropped the ball in North
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