On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 06:02, ed tharp wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 03:06, James Sparenberg wrote:
>
> >
> > Actually I'm planning on waiting a week.. Why? Well I want to do a
> > urpmi based upgrade. Let the mirrors coold down. follow the directions
> > and see if I either
> >
> > 1. Have
On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 03:06, James Sparenberg wrote:
>
> Actually I'm planning on waiting a week.. Why? Well I want to do a
> urpmi based upgrade. Let the mirrors coold down. follow the directions
> and see if I either
>
> 1. Have a working box.
> 2. Have a reason to re-install.
>
> I'm h
On Sat Sep 20, 2003 at 01:23:03AM -0600, Charlie M. wrote:
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> - From what I've seen so far from the boxes I've 'cooked'; and the postings on
> cooker from people regarding their upgrade experiences, it's looking as
> though the urpmi upgrade path will be less trouble than at any previous
>
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September 20, 2003 01:06 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
> > > Since Mandrake is heavily dependant on the community for
> > > development, software contributions and patches, testing and bug
> > > reports, makin the distro unavailable for d/l till af
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 12:30, Charlie M. wrote:
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> September 19, 2003 12:55 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
> > On Friday September 19 2003 01:03 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
> > > > Which brings us back again to the question as to whether
> > > > downloads
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 06:39, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> ed tharp schrieb am 19 Sep 2003 06:10:19 -0400:
>
> > Having a contractor who appreciates the GPL as a community (and so
> > gives back to the community fairly) is (in my view, anyway) almost as
> > important as their ability to get the boxes
On Friday 19 Sep 2003 7:03 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
> > Which brings us back again to the question as to whether
> > downloads should be available as quickly as they are at present.
> > Idealogically, yes, but in terms of income, maybe not.
> >
> > Anne
>
> Careful here... I suggested that aroun
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September 19, 2003 12:55 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
> On Friday September 19 2003 01:03 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
> > > Which brings us back again to the question as to whether
> > > downloads should be available as quickly as they are at
> > > present.
On Friday September 19 2003 01:03 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
> > Which brings us back again to the question as to whether
> > downloads should be available as quickly as they are at
> > present. Idealogically, yes, but in terms of income, maybe not.
> >
> > Anne
>
> Careful here... I suggested tha
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 05:07, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Friday 19 Sep 2003 11:39 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> >
> > After he sold the first 20 Mandrake 9.1 PowerPacks he could not get
> > any more from his wholesaler. He told me that they told him to wait
> > for a couple of weeks. He refrained becau
On Friday 19 Sep 2003 1:07 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Friday 19 Sep 2003 11:39 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> > After he sold the first 20 Mandrake 9.1 PowerPacks he could not get
> > any more from his wholesaler. He told me that they told him to wait
> > for a couple of weeks. He refrained because
On Friday 19 Sep 2003 11:39 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
>
> After he sold the first 20 Mandrake 9.1 PowerPacks he could not get
> any more from his wholesaler. He told me that they told him to wait
> for a couple of weeks. He refrained because "after a couple of
> weeks it's not new anymore and peo
ed tharp schrieb am 19 Sep 2003 06:10:19 -0400:
> Having a contractor who appreciates the GPL as a community (and so
> gives back to the community fairly) is (in my view, anyway) almost as
> important as their ability to get the boxes shipped.
You know any?
Dealing with such contractors is not
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 22:23, James Sparenberg wrote:
> just some food for thought. ( I spent t much time in logistics
> the last 20 years. *sigh*)
>
I can sure Identify with the last statement there... only I have more
like
but it occurs to me that logistics/distribution and advertisi
On Fri, 2003-09-19 at 00:04, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> James Sparenberg schrieb am Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:23:03 -0700:
>
> [lesson on sales figures]
> > Now yes the sales numbers are small (they better be) One Fry's near
> > me does 300 RH boxes a month on average (insider knowledge here.) or
> >
John Wilson schrieb am Fri, 19 Sep 2003 01:11:28 -0700:
> That would be a natural partnership, and I doubt that even Wolfgang
> can find fault with that idea. :-)
Of course not! :)
Every idea which helps Mandrake sell boxes is a good idea. But wasn't
there a bit of polluted air between Walmart an
On September 18, 2003 07:23 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
> ... (Less exposure always means decreased
> sales. period. Anyone who says otherwise needs to go to work for
> Ovaltine.) (note: Ovaltine was the #1 chocolate Milk powder in the US
> with about 80% marke
James Sparenberg schrieb am Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:23:03 -0700:
[lesson on sales figures]
> Now yes the sales numbers are small (they better be) One Fry's near
> me does 300 RH boxes a month on average (insider knowledge here.) or
> 3600 a year. They aren't the top store either. Times the 20 sto
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 15:57, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> ed tharp schrieb am 18 Sep 2003 18:12:32 -0400:
>
> > On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 07:25, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> > >
> > > Being presented at exhibitions, distributing boxes overseas (USA,
> > > Canada, Australia) is a costly venture which is rig
ed tharp schrieb am 18 Sep 2003 18:12:32 -0400:
> On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 07:25, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> >
> > Being presented at exhibitions, distributing boxes overseas (USA,
> > Canada, Australia) is a costly venture which is right now just not
> > paying back.
> >
> Here's the thing, as I se
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 07:25, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> James Sparenberg schrieb am Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:12:28 -0700:
>
> > One thing MDK has never been good
> > at is tooting their own horn. I'm tired of seeing red hats and
> > Lethargic Lizards at Linux world etc. We need more Top Hats *grin*.
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 04:25, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> James Sparenberg schrieb am Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:12:28 -0700:
>
> > One thing MDK has never been good
> > at is tooting their own horn. I'm tired of seeing red hats and
> > Lethargic Lizards at Linux world etc. We need more Top Hats *grin*.
On Wednesday 17 September 2003 09:21, Anne Wilson wrote:
> Finally, I would like to remind users that this is not a closed
> 'club'. We welcome material from any user, particularly if they are
> able to add to the hardware compatibility pages, or able to write a
> mini HOW-TO on any of the frequen
James Sparenberg schrieb am Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:12:28 -0700:
> One thing MDK has never been good
> at is tooting their own horn. I'm tired of seeing red hats and
> Lethargic Lizards at Linux world etc. We need more Top Hats *grin*.
Although I agree to this in full I have to point out that we
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 11:34, John Wilson wrote:
> On September 17, 2003 10:24 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
> >Compusa
> > now has a Linux "aisle" dominated by RH and SuSE box sets Fry's has put
> > RH both in the aisle and on an endcap (which by the way was the way they
> > sold MDK up through 7.2)
On Wednesday 17 September 2003 20:34, John Wilson wrote:
> It all comes down to a chicken and egg argument. People who try Linux will
> opt for RedHat or SuSE because it's on the shelves. Mandrake barely even
> comes into it until some poor soul who bought RedHat suddenly realizes what
> a pain
On September 17, 2003 10:24 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
>Compusa
> now has a Linux "aisle" dominated by RH and SuSE box sets Fry's has put
> RH both in the aisle and on an endcap (which by the way was the way they
> sold MDK up through 7.2) The key seems to be the 3 disk sets as far as
> a sales
>Whereas you could well be right. You wouldn't know it here. Compusa
> now has a Linux "aisle" dominated by RH and SuSE box sets Fry's has put
> RH both in the aisle and on an endcap (which by the way was the way they
> sold MDK up through 7.2) The key seems to be the 3 disk sets as far as
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 06:00, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 September 2003 14:18, ed tharp wrote:
> > yes,,, but it still seems to me a gold mine for some entrepreneur who
> > can put it together to be a "hands off distribution contractor" where
> > the distribution and printing of the produ
On Wednesday 17 September 2003 14:18, ed tharp wrote:
> yes,,, but it still seems to me a gold mine for some entrepreneur who
> can put it together to be a "hands off distribution contractor" where
> the distribution and printing of the product are taken off MDKsofts
> hands, and done by someone wi
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 08:01, ed tharp wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 07:28, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> > James Sparenberg schrieb am Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:29:32 -0700:
> > >
>
> >
> > For Mandrake it is no change. Production and distribution of boxes is a
> > very cost consuming thing which is
On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 07:28, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> James Sparenberg schrieb am Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:29:32 -0700:
> >
> > Are people downloading to save money, or, are they downloading just to
> > get the product. No I don't have all the data, Gael has more. But,
> > the 20% drop in sales is co
James Sparenberg schrieb am Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:29:32 -0700:
>
> Are people downloading to save money, or, are they downloading just to
> get the product. No I don't have all the data, Gael has more. But,
> the 20% drop in sales is consistent with the drop other software
> vendors and retailers a
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 02:29 pm, many eyes noted that James Sparenberg wrote:
> > Anyway, if we feel that the retail market would start to grow up again,
> > we would certainly consider to address it again. We're also aware that
> > being on shelves is good for mindshare.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:02 am, many eyes noted that Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Tuesday 16 Sep 2003 9:33 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> > Anyway, if we feel that the retail market would start to grow up
> > again, we would certainly consider to address it again. We're also
> > aware that being on shelves
On Tuesday 16 Sep 2003 10:40 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
> On Tuesday 16 September 2003 23:02, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > Write to our favourite mags,
> > regularly, quoting Mandrake as often as possible.
>
> Not a bad idea (I'm a LXF subscriber too), could be worth our while
> to make our preferences know
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 23:33, John Wilson wrote:
> On September 16, 2003 09:29 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
>
> >It sounds good except for one thing. In the developed world the US has
> > less than half the broadband penetration of any other country. (Canada has
> > about a 50% penetration, Ko
On September 16, 2003 09:29 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
>It sounds good except for one thing. In the developed world the US has
> less than half the broadband penetration of any other country. (Canada has
> about a 50% penetration, Korea 80% the US only 20%)
Actually Canada is now up to ab
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 13:33, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> John Wilson schrieb am Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:41:03 -0700:
>
> > My assumption is that either the entry into bankruptcy protection
> > messed up their distrubtion channels and McMillian pulled back or that
> > someone just dropped the ball in Nor
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 03:04, Eric Fernandez wrote:
> ed tharp wrote:
>
> >
> >When you look, see if the box has any mention of McMillian Publishing.
> >THese are the same company that puts out "Que" books, and at one time
> >was the USA (possibly IIRC for the English language Areas version)
> >dis
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 01:33, T. Ribbrock wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 09:08:49AM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > I really would like to see some authorative statement as to why
> > Mandrake has this visibility problem. Linux has little shelf-space
> > in the UK, but I have *never* seen a Mandr
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 16:33, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> John Wilson schrieb am Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:41:03 -0700:
>
> > My assumption is that either the entry into bankruptcy protection
> > messed up their distrubtion channels and McMillian pulled back or that
> > someone just dropped the ball in Nor
On Tuesday 16 September 2003 23:02, Anne Wilson wrote:
> Write to our favourite mags,
> regularly, quoting Mandrake as often as possible.
Not a bad idea (I'm a LXF subscriber too), could be worth our while to make
our preferences known. I bet there's quite a few of us here.
Ann you are priceless
On Tuesday 16 Sep 2003 9:33 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
>
> Anyway, if we feel that the retail market would start to grow up
> again, we would certainly consider to address it again. We're also
> aware that being on shelves is good for mindshare.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gaël.
>
>
> I can see his po
John Wilson schrieb am Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:41:03 -0700:
> My assumption is that either the entry into bankruptcy protection
> messed up their distrubtion channels and McMillian pulled back or that
> someone just dropped the ball in North America.
Sorry to say, but: no.
I took the freedom to forw
On September 16, 2003 03:00 am, ed tharp wrote:
> When you look, see if the box has any mention of McMillian Publishing.
> THese are the same company that puts out "Que" books, and at one time
> was the USA (possibly IIRC for the English language Areas version)
> distributor for MDK, and may still
Around here (it was Borders i think) Mandrake 9.0 was on the shelf nect
to RedHat. I noticed it just before 9.1 came out, and i didn't get the
idea it just showed up. Of coure, i live in pasadena, california, 1
mile from where the old US Mandrake office was...
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On Tuesday 16 September 2003 10:33, T. Ribbrock wrote:
> Admittedly, I've been wondering about this as well. In the
> Netherlands, *if* I see a distro in the shops, it's SuSE or Red Hat
> and that's it.
>
> Cheerio,
>
> Thomas
I've noticed the same and also noticed that what is on offer, is usuall
ed tharp wrote:
When you look, see if the box has any mention of McMillian Publishing.
THese are the same company that puts out "Que" books, and at one time
was the USA (possibly IIRC for the English language Areas version)
distributor for MDK, and may still be.
The boxes I saw in Canterbury were
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 04:57, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Tuesday 16 Sep 2003 9:46 am, Eric Fernandez wrote:
> > T. Ribbrock wrote:
> > >On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 09:08:49AM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > >>I really would like to see some authorative statement as to why
> > >>Mandrake has this visibility p
Anne Wilson wrote:
On Tuesday 16 Sep 2003 9:46 am, Eric Fernandez wrote:
T. Ribbrock wrote:
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 09:08:49AM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
I really would like to see some authorative statement as to why
Mandrake has this visibility problem. Linux has little
shelf-spac
On Tuesday 16 Sep 2003 9:46 am, Eric Fernandez wrote:
> T. Ribbrock wrote:
> >On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 09:08:49AM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> >>I really would like to see some authorative statement as to why
> >>Mandrake has this visibility problem. Linux has little
> >> shelf-space in the UK, but
T. Ribbrock wrote:
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 09:08:49AM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
I really would like to see some authorative statement as to why
Mandrake has this visibility problem. Linux has little shelf-space
in the UK, but I have *never* seen a Mandrake box.
There are Mandrake boxes
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 09:08:49AM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> I really would like to see some authorative statement as to why
> Mandrake has this visibility problem. Linux has little shelf-space
> in the UK, but I have *never* seen a Mandrake box.
Admittedly, I've been wondering about this as
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