On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 01:07:12AM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> T. Ribbrock schrieb am Mon, 15 Sep 2003 00:29:16 +0200:
> > Linux companies are a necessary evil in my eyes. They're needed to
> > help prevent monopolies from drowning the software world in
> > proprietary lock-ins, as unfortunate
On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 09:40:51AM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> T. Ribbrock schrieb am Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:58:59 +0200:
>
> I did not mean such that involved proprietary stuff. I meant projects
> which involve a lot of time and engagement. If there were only people
> doing it in their spare ti
On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 12:46:06PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
[...]
> So, why don't you read the statements
> of long-term Mandrake users and go to the website and read the last 3
> year's news from Mandrake. They show a lot of Mandrake's commitment to
> Open Source. It's just one page.
I'll k
On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 08:35:45PM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Monday 15 Sep 2003 10:25 am, T. Ribbrock wrote:
>
> > That leaves only the product "download edition" if I do want the
> > distro, which is a pity.
> >
> I would have much more sympathy with your argument if you had at any
> point
On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 01:39:13PM -0700, John Wilson wrote:
> Perhaps I'd feel better if you could tell me one patch you contributed to a
> CVS, one contribution you made to a project even at high level design, one
> thing you've done other than complain. At least then I'd have to rethink my
>
T. Ribbrock schrieb am Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:58:59 +0200:
> the projects that wouldn't have been possible: Correct me, if I'm
> wrong, but I think many of those included stuff, where proprietary
> things were involved - stuff, that had to be done from business to
> business. That's another aspect of
On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 09:40, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> T. Ribbrock schrieb am Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:58:59 +0200:
>
> Aha. How about this: If a product is good, I don't care whether I have
> to pay for it or not, I'll get it. If the product is not good, I don't
> care about free versions, I just don
On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 02:58, T. Ribbrock wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 01:07:12AM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> > T. Ribbrock schrieb am Mon, 15 Sep 2003 00:29:16 +0200:
> > > Linux companies are a necessary evil in my eyes. They're needed to
> > > help prevent monopolies from drowning the so
On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 05:08, Guy Van Sanden wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 09:40, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> > T. Ribbrock schrieb am Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:58:59 +0200:
> >
>
> > Aha. How about this: If a product is good, I don't care whether I have
> > to pay for it or not, I'll get it. If the prod
T. Ribbrock schrieb am Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:25:08 +0200:
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 09:40:51AM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
>
> Or whether cutting that tree is really necessary? Without knowing
> anything about the guy who cuts the tree, he observer will not be able
> to know. Up till now, Mandra
>> No. That's *not* what I'm saying. Maybe I need to
differentiate
>> more: Mandrake makes one Linux distro, but many products. I've
tested
>> the distro, as packed in the product "9.1 download edition". I
liked
>> what I saw. It's a good distro. So I want to use it. At the
same time,
>> I *do* a
On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 12:40, ed tharp wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 05:08, Guy Van Sanden wrote:
> > On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 09:40, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> > > T. Ribbrock schrieb am Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:58:59 +0200:
> > If I pay a subscription fee for those channels, the commercials are not
> > a
On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 12:40, ed tharp wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 02:58, T. Ribbrock wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 01:07:12AM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> BSD would be a kernel just as linux is just a kernel. I bet 100%of the
> companies using BSD and apache-PHP/mySQL on their webserver
On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 07:58, Guy Van Sanden wrote:
first off,, since the attributes are sure getting confusing, (obviously)
I did not think I was replying to Guy, but to T.Ribbock.
> On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 12:40, ed tharp wrote:
> > On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 05:08, Guy Van Sanden wrote:
> > > On Mon,
On Monday 15 Sep 2003 10:25 am, T. Ribbrock wrote:
> That leaves only the product "download edition" if I do want the
> distro, which is a pity.
>
I would have much more sympathy with your argument if you had at any
point said 'so I'll take the download version and join the club' or
'make a dona
On September 15, 2003 02:25 am, T. Ribbrock wrote:
> > You decide that as Mandrake is getting money from elsewhere you can take
> > the free version. All I see from you is: If I have to pay, I won't take
> > it, because Mandrake gets enough money from elsewhere.
>
> No. That's *not* what I'm sayi
On Monday 15 Sep 2003 9:46 pm, T. Ribbrock wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 08:35:45PM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Monday 15 Sep 2003 10:25 am, T. Ribbrock wrote:
> > > That leaves only the product "download edition" if I do want
> > > the distro, which is a pity.
> >
> > I would have much mor
T. Ribbrock wrote:
On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 08:35:45PM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Monday 15 Sep 2003 10:25 am, T. Ribbrock wrote:
That leaves only the product "download edition" if I do want the
distro, which is a pity.
I would have much more sympathy with your argument if you had
On September 15, 2003 02:29 pm, T. Ribbrock wrote:
>
> Happy now?
>
> (Apologies to those who *didn't* ask for this - I know it's not much
> compared to the bigwigs)
>
> Thomas
Actually yes. And in that case I withdraw my accusations of freeloading.
But I repectfully still disagree with you.
On Mon Sep 15, 2003 at 02:20:21PM +0200, Guy Van Sanden wrote:
> > BSD would be a kernel just as linux is just a kernel. I bet 100%of the
> > companies using BSD and apache-PHP/mySQL on their webserver would not be
> > there without mySQL, how good is BSD without any of the programs that
> > are p
On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 08:38, Vincent Danen wrote:
> On Mon Sep 15, 2003 at 02:20:21PM +0200, Guy Van Sanden wrote:
>
> > > BSD would be a kernel just as linux is just a kernel. I bet 100%of the
> > > companies using BSD and apache-PHP/mySQL on their webserver would not be
> > > there without mySQL
On Tue Sep 16, 2003 at 01:11:33PM +0200, Guy Van Sanden wrote:
> > > > BSD would be a kernel just as linux is just a kernel. I bet 100%of the
> > > > companies using BSD and apache-PHP/mySQL on their webserver would not be
> > > > there without mySQL, how good is BSD without any of the programs th
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