[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] There are a number of relevant inflation indexes. Many economiss don't favor the CPI. Other indexes may give different answers. === Inflation indexes are stupid. They don't reflect any reality for

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-07 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] There are a number of relevant inflation indexes. Many economiss don't favor the CPI. Other indexes may give different answers.

Re: [FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-06 Thread Vaj
On Jan 5, 2006, at 10:43 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:I think blowing the whistle is good. GREAT even.  But the issue, tome, is the ENTRY point. TMO, neo or retro,  may not be the best thing for TOTAL enlightnement. Fully agreed. I am more thinking "what could be"  -- in terms of professional,

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posted the link of my source. Okay...I went to the link found at the posting where you made the original claims that you did at... http://www.watsonwyatt.com/europe/pubs/longtermstats/render2.asp? ID=14440

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-06 Thread a_non_moose_ff
A couple of clarifications. The index I originally used was for Europe. Quite relevant for the discussion at hand. Second I did make a minor calculation error -- the (European) factor is 11.3 not 12.3. This makes the current equivalent of $75 in 1968 = about $850. I used the calculator bob

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-06 Thread a_non_moose_ff
Specific price components, rather than the broad based CPI, may be more relevant to estimate TM's 1968 price of $75 in today's dollars. Following are two price series that seem relevant to TM, medical and education expenses. The college index was only available from 1977, so the additional 9

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of clarifications. The index I originally used was for Europe. Quite relevant for the discussion at hand. Why was it relevant for the discussion at hand? If you were using the figures $75.00 or 35.00 or

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-06 Thread a_non_moose_ff
I thought it was a discussion about the price of TM in 1968 realative to now. Since lots of TM was taught in Europe -- it seems relevant. It was not my intent to use the European index. I did not catch the label until later. But to me current price eqivalents for Europe is as relevant as one

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I taught full time I never saw myself as selling mantras or some such thing, but charging for the cost of maintaining a center, publicity and other expenses, and a maintainance lifestyle for me the teacher -

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I taught full time I never saw myself as selling mantras or some such thing, but charging for the cost of maintaining a center, publicity and other expenses, and a maintainance lifestyle for me the teacher -

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread a_non_moose_ff
If AoL teaches equivalent meditation at $200 (per cite on another post) and Amma's IAM technique is $250 (to attend a retreat to get the technique for free) then each is around $20 in 1968 price terms. Almost half the SIMS student rate. Quite a deal. Do both for about the same as the SIMS $35

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] One could argue (not me particularly) that the value of the product has increased due to the availability of adjunct products that are now available to enhance the core product: AV, SV, GV, jyotish, yagyas, gems, sidhis,

Re: [FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread Vaj
On Jan 5, 2006, at 1:44 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:If AoL teaches "equivalent" meditation at $200 (per cite on another post) and  Amma's IAM technique is $250 (to attend a retreat to get the technique for free)You don't need to go on one of Amma's retreats to get her method--at least you didn't

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] One could argue (not me particularly) that the value of the product has increased due to the availability of adjunct products that are now available to enhance the core product: AV, SV, GV, jyotish, yagyas, gems, sidhis,

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread a_non_moose_ff
Looking at the $2500 fee, and the costs involved, it appears resonable for a full time teacher, teaching about 30 students a month or so. Break down the cost allocations: Franchise Fee 50% SV Facilities 10% Office Exp. Support 5% Advertising and PR

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at the $2500 fee, and the costs involved, it appears resonable for a full time teacher, teaching about 30 students a month or so. If you want it taught only by volunteers in their (non sv) homes, then

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread Patrick Gillam
Thanks for the cost comparisons. I suspect that, had the TMO continued to amass good research to support its case, a $1,000 course fee would be reasonable today. But the ideological zeal, the death of Skip Alexander and Maharishi's abandonment of science all demolished that possibility. TM

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread mrsatva
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at the $2500 fee Break down the cost allocations: Franchise Fee 50% SV Facilities 10% Office Exp. Support 5% Advertising and PR10% Presentation

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I taught full time I never saw myself as selling mantras or some such thing, but charging for the cost of maintaining a

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at the $2500 fee, and the costs involved, it appears resonable for a full time teacher, teaching about 30 students a

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (See link. You need to do some multiplication to get the index back 38 years.) http://www.watsonwyatt.com/europe/pubs/longtermstats/render2.asp? ID=14440 That is exactly what I was just thinking. Thanks

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the cost comparisons. I suspect that, had the TMO continued to amass good research to support its case, a $1,000 course fee would be reasonable today. But the ideological zeal, the death of Skip

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at the $2500 fee, and the costs involved, it appears resonable for a full time teacher, teaching about 30 students a month or so. Break down the cost allocations: Franchise Fee 50% SV

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- off_world_beings posted: REHABILITATION 2004: The Journal of Offender Rehabilitation, http://tinyurl.com/cqrn5 Irrelevant to a pre-indictment individual who's considering learning a meditation technique. May be of interest to government officials, though. The real need here is to

Re: [FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread Vaj
On Jan 5, 2006, at 8:27 PM, off_world_beings wrote: Excellent Analyis ! Someone should keep this so that when all the gripers start griping  they can be referred to it, then maybe the horse can stop being  whipped. I just paid $650 to join a swim pool for a year for lap swim 3 or 4  times a

Re: [FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread Vaj
On Jan 5, 2006, at 9:52 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:Irrelevant to a pre-indictment individual who's considering learning a meditation  technique. May be of interest to government officials, though. The real need here is to  compare TM with vipassana meditation, because the vipassanites are teaching

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- off_world_beings posted: REHABILITATION 2004: The Journal of Offender Rehabilitation, http://tinyurl.com/cqrn5 Irrelevant to a pre-indictment individual who's considering learning a meditation

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 5, 2006, at 8:27 PM, off_world_beings wrote: Excellent Analyis ! Someone should keep this so that when all the gripers start griping they can be referred to it, then maybe the horse can stop being whipped.

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 5, 2006, at 8:27 PM, off_world_beings wrote: Excellent Analyis ! Someone should keep this so that when all the gripers start griping they can be referred to it, then maybe the horse can stop being whipped.

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 5, 2006, at 9:52 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: Irrelevant to a pre-indictment individual who's considering learning a meditation technique. May be of interest to government officials, though. The real need here

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- off_world_beings posted: REHABILITATION 2004: The Journal of Offender Rehabilitation, http://tinyurl.com/cqrn5

Re: [FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread Vaj
On Jan 5, 2006, at 10:17 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:All good. But why dis other paths? Many paths. Certainly. One peak or many peaks, who cares? It's surreal and (non-dumb) blissfull on every peak.    All appreciation for your insights. the  namneless one I support the path of mantra yoga and

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 5, 2006, at 10:17 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: All good. But why dis other paths? Many paths. Certainly. One peak or many peaks, who cares? It's surreal and (non-dumb) blissfull on every peak. All appreciation

Re: [FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread gullible fool
Some things have gone up in price. Some have gone down. Thirty years ago, I had to pay 25 cents a minute for long distance phone calls. These days, I pay 2.4 cents a minute for long distance phone calls, less than one-tenth as much. The reason? All the competition that has opened up. Long

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread a_non_moose_ff
I agree. All throughout my post I was ALSO thinking of DECLINING prices -- like PC cost. I have economics and MBA degree. I am fully aware of the arbitrary construction of inflation indexes. But they serve some purpose. Not the Total purpose. I am fully aware and open to declining prices over the

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- off_world_beings posted:

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I taught full time I never saw myself as selling mantras or some such thing, but charging for the cost of maintaining a

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread a_non_moose_ff
I posted the link of my source. I also posted 5 or so examples that supported the 12 x factor. Read the post Luke. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In