Re: [FairfieldLife] Cults Explained: self-deception improves your ability to deceive others

2011-11-06 Thread Denise Evans
Posting here seems to guarantee a kind of witnessing.  For me, responses are not always necessary. From: Tom Pall To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 4:43 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Cults Explained: self-deception improves your

Re: [FairfieldLife] Cults Explained: self-deception improves your ability to deceive others

2011-11-06 Thread Vaj
On Nov 6, 2011, at 7:43 AM, Tom Pall wrote: > I've learned there's something else which helps us deceive ourselves and > others: child abuse. I was severely physically and mentally abused not only > as a child but into my adolescent years, until I was old enough to stand up > to the abuse on

Re: [FairfieldLife] Cults Explained: self-deception improves your ability to deceive others

2011-11-06 Thread Vaj
On Nov 6, 2011, at 5:50 AM, turquoiseb wrote: > It's always been my experience -- especially on Internet chat groups -- that > those who most often claim that others are lying or attempting to deceive > others are the ones who seem to have the highest degree of self-deception > going for them.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Cults Explained: self-deception improves your ability to deceive others

2011-11-06 Thread Tom Pall
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Tom Pall wrote: To the truly deluded ones on FFL. Try to reign yourself in just this one time and don't insult me by commenting something like if you had not experienced this or that, Tom, you'd kiss my ass and worship me. That's as nonsensical and as insulting

Re: [FairfieldLife] Cults Explained: self-deception improves your ability to deceive others

2011-11-06 Thread Tom Pall
I've learned there's something else which helps us deceive ourselves and others: child abuse. I was severely physically and mentally abused not only as a child but into my adolescent years, until I was old enough to stand up to the abuse on my own. When treated for PTSD, which was the diagnosis

[FairfieldLife] Cults Explained: self-deception improves your ability to deceive others

2011-11-06 Thread turquoiseb
Fascinating article from Salon, an interview with one of the world's leading experts on lying and deception. What attracted me to it was his distinction between deceit (lying to others) and self-deception (lying to oneself), and trying to figure out an evolutionary reason for both behaviors. It's