[FairfieldLife] Do Purusha(s) Have Agency (the capacity to "act")

2014-06-17 Thread soundofstilln...@ymail.com [FairfieldLife]
From my minimalist way of understanding, Shyam Ranganathan is suggesting, as he did in his translation and commentary of the Yoga sSutra that Purusha = Person indeed does have "Agency" according to the great philosopher Maharishi Patanjali. "The Sankhya Karika appears to state that it is nature

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2014-06-17 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 6/17/2014 1:07 PM, soundofstilln...@ymail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: From my minimalist way of understanding, Shyam Ranganathan is suggesting, as he did in his translation and commentary of the Yoga sSutra that Purusha = Person indeed does have "Agency" according to the great philosopher M

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2014-06-17 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
SoundofStillness, I used the concordance to Maharishi's Gita translation and checked the references under "effort." Chapter 4, vs 12 to 15 seem useful wrt to your question. In vs 12, Maharishi makes the point that animals depend on the force of evolution to move upward. But humans have freedom o

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2014-06-18 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
SoundsofStillness and Richard, I received this Gita quote and think it's pertinent: Meditation does not unfold the Self -- the Self, it must be repeated, unfolds Itself by Itself to Itself. The wind does nothing to the sun; it only clears away the clouds and sun is found shining by its own ligh

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2014-06-18 Thread emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
SoundofStillness, Strictly speaking Purusha, for Patanjali, is not an observer but rather is a witness (sakshin) to the activities of consciousness (chitta). The concept "observer" is a relational term defining the function of self-reflexivity by the chitta. Self-reflectivity means the ac

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2014-06-18 Thread soundofstilln...@ymail.com [FairfieldLife]
Thank you. I will.

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2014-06-18 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 6/17/2014 8:43 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: SoundofStillness, I used the concordance to Maharishi's Gita translation and checked the references under "effort." Chapter 4, vs 12 to 15 seem useful wrt to your question. In vs 12, Maharishi makes the point that ani

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2014-06-18 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
"Two birds sat in a tree; one ate the fruit; another looked on." - Shvetashvatara, 4.7 > On 6/18/2014 1:48 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: /SoundofStillness/, Strictly speaking Purusha, for Patanjali, is not an observer but rather is a witness (sakshin) to the activities of con

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2014-06-19 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
But Richard, the entire Gita is the Lord telling Arjuna to act! Krishna is not telling the gunas to act! In fact He's telling Arjuna to be without the gunas and act! Maybe we can agree that it's a paradox... On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 9:54 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [

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2014-06-19 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 6/19/2014 6:38 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: But Richard, the entire Gita is the Lord telling Arjuna to act! Krishna is not telling the gunas to act! In fact He's telling Arjuna to be without the gunas and act! > According to MMY, we should act, but act from the