[FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 wrote: > > It's an interesting idea, but indeed may not show much. > Wouldn't the capacity for language be "hard-wired" into > the human brain? The fact that feral children don't > develop language skills doesn't invalidate that the > capacity exist

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-27 Thread hermandan0
It's an interesting idea, but indeed may not show much. Wouldn't the capacity for language be "hard-wired" into the human brain? The fact that feral children don't develop language skills doesn't invalidate that the capacity exists. Jill Bolte Taylor's articulation of her experience having a strok

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-27 Thread whynotnow7
I have a great idea Sal - Why doesn't Rick make you the Grammar Cop here on FFL? That way you can be the final arbiter on whether or not posts actually see the light of day! You can join the self-proclaimed Posting Time Police too. Its an exciting prospect, don'cha think? The other benefit is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-26 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Mar 26, 2011, at 5:07 PM, tartbrain wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > >> Actually the only God the separate and isolated ego will accept as real is >> the one it is better than; the God that can be judged, figured out and >> controlled; the illusory God th

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-26 Thread whynotnow7
Yeah, the term "open mind" used conventionally is all the things you say - not really open at all, for all the baggage it carries. Perhaps calling it an innocent mind or a mind always open to any possibility beyond conception is a better way to put it. A desire for liberation, even at the expens

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-26 Thread Ravi Yogi
An open mind that leads to the 3 V's to Vaairagya, Viveka and Vichaara and not intellectual self deception. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > Even an open mind is all about concepts, analysis, conclusions, > understandings, frameworks, and all. Seems a pretty weak to

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-26 Thread tartbrain
Even an open mind is all about concepts, analysis, conclusions, understandings, frameworks, and all. Seems a pretty weak tool to become aware of unboundedness, beyond concepts, beyond logic, beyond conclusions, beyond frameworks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-26 Thread whynotnow7
An open one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > > > Actually the only God the separate and isolated ego will accept as real is > > the one it is better than; the God that can be judged, figured out and > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-26 Thread tartbrain
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote: > Actually the only God the separate and isolated ego will accept as real is > the one it is better than; the God that can be judged, figured out and > controlled; the illusory God than loses every argument. Actual God can never > be k

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-26 Thread whynotnow7
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > wrote: > > > > On Mar 25, 2011, at 10:10 AM, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > I did a couple of Google searches to see if > > > I could find any instance of one of these > > > feral ki

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-26 Thread whynotnow7
Also, how can a *theory* ever be true? Either the reality is lived, or it isn't. Static theories are less useful than dirt. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb > wrote: > > > If the theory that God is "hard-wired" int

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Mar 25, 2011, at 10:10 AM, turquoiseb wrote: > > I did a couple of Google searches to see if > > I could find any instance of one of these > > feral kids developing a sense of God or some > > kind of deity on their own, and found

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > If the theory that God is "hard-wired" into > our brains is true, one would think that such > feral kids would develop a sense of God. But > my short reading of "feral children stories" > does not suggest that any such thing ever > happen

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-25 Thread whynotnow7
I think the reason people become alienated from religion is not because God doesn't exist, but that religion has forgotten how to provide the tools for our direct experience of God. Instead the leaders of the Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and Muslims insist that they are the necessary inte

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-25 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Mar 25, 2011, at 10:10 AM, turquoiseb wrote: >> 'm not convinced at all there is any inherent >> "need" to believe in some kind of unseen "order," way. >> Supposedly humans have to be seriously >> indoctrinated in the idea of a deity because the >> brain on its own just doesn't want to go the

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-25 Thread John
Something is wrong with this survey. When people say that they have no religious affiliation, it does not mean they have no religion. They may have some religious belief, but they're just not affiliated with any of the churches in their country. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoi

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-25 Thread WillyTex
Sal Sunshine: > I'm not convinced at all there is any inherent > "need" to believe in some kind of unseen "order," > way... > There once was a teacher who, always looking up at the clouds, fell into a ditch, and hurt himself really bad. You can test this by climbing to a very high mountain and ju

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-25 Thread WillyTex
turquoiseb: > My experience on this planet is that those who > profess a belief in determinism and a lack of > belief in free will is that compassion and > spending time helping others are...uh...not > actly the qualities that these people believe > live... > There are innumerable proofs that

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-25 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > > > I'm not convinced at all there is any inherent > > "need" to believe in some kind of unseen "order," way. > > Supposedly humans have to be seriously > > indoctrinated i

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-25 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Mar 25, 2011, at 8:22 AM, wayback71 wrote: > > > > am not sure that the idea of relative utility applies to all aspects of > > religion or spiritual belief - altho certainly to some aspects. I think > > there is something ab

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-25 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > I'm not convinced at all there is any inherent > "need" to believe in some kind of unseen "order," way. > Supposedly humans have to be seriously > indoctrinated in the idea of a deity because the > brain on its own just doesn't want to

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-25 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > The bottom line of the study is in the first sentence: > > > "A new study claims that religion may b

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-25 Thread Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Mar 25, 2011, at 8:22 AM, wayback71 wrote: > > > > am not sure that the idea of relative utility applies to all > >aspects of religion or spiritual belief - Well, belief aside there is spiritual experience. Yep, like in the p

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-25 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Mar 25, 2011, at 8:22 AM, wayback71 wrote: > am not sure that the idea of relative utility applies to all aspects of > religion or spiritual belief - altho certainly to some aspects. I think > there is something about religious belief (which may not mean you are a > church member) that i

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-25 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > The bottom line of the study is in the first sentence: > > "A new study claims that religion may be on the way out > > in some parts of Europe, largely because it isn't

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-25 Thread Buck
The bottom line of the study is in the first sentence: "A new study claims that religion may be on the way out in some parts of Europe, largely because it isn't as useful to adherents as it once was." Tens of thousands of people are attending rival mass rallies in Yemen's capital Sanaa, a week

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-25 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > Now *this* is a study I'd love people to get into discussing here, if > they can do so without rancor. ( OK, I know that's a lot like saying > "Here's a bone I'd like this pack of wild dogs to appreciate without > fighting over," but on

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Relative Utility" - Study Says Religion Could Disappear

2011-03-25 Thread Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Mar 25, 2011, at 6:05 AM, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > The bottom line of the study is in the first sentence: "A new study > > claims that religion may be on the way out in some parts of Europe, > > largely because it isn't as u