[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-28 Thread Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (snip) > "Krishna," that to which that word marks did not > experience or not not experience pain.Let me ask you a > question. If in a dream "you" are shot, are "you" shot > in waking state? No. So what happens when "y

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-28 Thread Llundrub
> Good one Sal !!But then again, maybe MMY is just facilitating thekarma of previous lifetime greed by those with moneyand taking it away from them is what is necessary. Whoknows? The ways of karma are unfathomable. Oh, thestories we tell!A great quote I heard is "in the succession of t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-28 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- jyouells2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > By that logic, then, MMY should end up a pauper. > > > > Sal > > > > > > On Apr 27, 2005, at 3:03 PM, lupidus108 wrote: > > > > > According to Maharishi, T

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-28 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip > > You see, now this is the problem. Oh yeah, Krishna > was hopping > around yelling in pain because I guess his body was > doing the body > thing but at another level there was no suffering > because...well > because there was no "him" to experience

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-28 Thread Vaj
On Apr 28, 2005, at 3:15 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: > There is no suffering as the consciousness that knows itself as > Krishna sees this painful act of being shot in the foot as absolutely > perfect. Krishna knows it is perfect because that is the way it went > down. Pain is ver

[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-28 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Peter Sutphen writes:snipped Rick Carlstrom writes; Big Snip You see, now this is the problem. Oh yeah, Krishna was hopping around yelling in pain because I guess his body was doing the body thing but at another level there was no suffering because...well because there was no "him" to experienc

[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-27 Thread Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Much of these metal gymnastics regarding > > enlightenment > > > and su

[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-27 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > By that logic, then, MMY should end up a pauper. > > Sal > > > On Apr 27, 2005, at 3:03 PM, lupidus108 wrote: > > > According to Maharishi, TWB was shot because he had previously killed > > others, as a soldier

[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras..Ram/Narsimha/Varaha

2005-04-27 Thread Bob Brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sadhak108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sadhak108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > Ram/Vishnu was in the pillar

[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-27 Thread Bob Brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Comments interleaved below. > > Bob Brigante wrote: > > > > the experience of disease or any other traumatic event > > is completely different for the enlightened person (an actually > > enlightened person,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-27 Thread Peter Sutphen
--- Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Much of these metal gymnastics regarding > enlightenment > > and suffering come about because of a foundational > > misconception regarding enlightenment that > neces

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-27 Thread Sal Sunshine
By that logic, then, MMY should end up a pauper. Sal On Apr 27, 2005, at 3:03 PM, lupidus108 wrote: According to Maharishi, TWB was shot because he had previously killed others, as a soldier in the army.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-27 Thread lupidus108
http://www.yogiphotos.com/chap3a.html > so either this was a function of some karma returning to him from his > ignorant past According to Maharishi, TWB was shot because he had previously killed others, as a soldier in the army. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go

[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-27 Thread Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Much of these metal gymnastics regarding enlightenment > and suffering come about because of a foundational > misconception regarding enlightenment that necessarily > must come about when understood within the const

[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras..Ram/Narsimha/Varaha

2005-04-27 Thread sadhak108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sadhak108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Ram/Vishnu was in the pillar > http://www.answers.com/topic/narasimha , > > > the Vedic Pundits and people practicing TM ar

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-27 Thread Peter Sutphen
I think people can romanticize enlightenment, especially CC, as the fulfillment or completion of the ego because that is the only way it can be understood from waking state. CC is a foundational shift from individuality, the result of bondage or identification, to no identification. CC is the appe

[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-27 Thread Patrick Gillam
Peter Sutphen wrote: > The "reason" why there is no > suffering in enlightenment is that there is no > individuality there to suffer. Pain occurs, but there > is nobody home to suffer. Thanks, Peter. Yours is a point I had in mind when writing my post, below, but did not state explicitly. Tom

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-27 Thread Llundrub
or an enlightened person could get whacked without having done anything that would generate that sort of karma (and that seems irrefutable, since anybody can walk up to an enlightened person and shoot them or whatever, even though that is not in any way what they "deserve").   Or he wa

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-27 Thread Peter Sutphen
Much of these metal gymnastics regarding enlightenment and suffering come about because of a foundational misconception regarding enlightenment that necessarily must come about when understood within the constructs of waking state. The "reason" why there is no suffering in enlightenment is that th

[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-27 Thread Patrick Gillam
Comments interleaved below. Bob Brigante wrote: > > the experience of disease or any other traumatic event > is completely different for the enlightened person (an actually > enlightened person, one hastens to add, not a Fairfield Life list > enlightened person) than for the ignorant person. ..

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-27 Thread Sal Sunshine
Nah, the meditator would be so busy mood-making, the disease microbes would run from him/her in horror. :) On Apr 26, 2005, at 11:22 PM, Rick Archer wrote: OK, are you saying that someone in CC would be immune from smallpox, if an epidemic were to break out?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-26 Thread Bob Brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 4/26/05 11:14 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> Does this mean a meditator would be immune from smallpox, if an > > epidemic > >> were to break out? > > > > > > > > Really, one has to g

[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-26 Thread Bob Brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 4/26/05 11:14 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> Does this mean a meditator would be immune from smallpox, if an > > epidemic > >> were to break out? > > > > > > > > Really, one has to g

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-26 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/26/05 11:14 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Does this mean a meditator would be immune from smallpox, if an > epidemic >> were to break out? > > > > Really, one has to gain CC, and from that platform of bliss, one's > action would be right, life-supporting and woul

[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-26 Thread Bob Brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 4/26/05 4:54 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > ** > > > > Nature is always declaring war on wrongdoing humans, and when it does > > so, it frequently makes nuclear weapons look trivial.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras..Ram/Narsimha/Varaha

2005-04-26 Thread Llundrub
Hmm. Is that in the Appalachians? - Original Message - From: Bob Brigante To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras..Ram/Narsimha/Varaha --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras..Ram/Narsimha/Varaha

2005-04-26 Thread Bob Brigante
roups.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:52 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras..Ram/Narsimha/Varaha > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > More importantly, you are

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-26 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/26/05 4:54 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > ** > > Nature is always declaring war on wrongdoing humans, and when it does > so, it frequently makes nuclear weapons look trivial. One disease > alone, smallpox, killed ~300,000,000 people in the 20th Century, > while all

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras..Ram/Narsimha/Varaha

2005-04-26 Thread Llundrub
So were you eating a Snickers? - Original Message - From: Bob Brigante To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras..Ram/Narsimha/Varaha --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras..Ram/Narsimha/Varaha

2005-04-26 Thread Bob Brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > More importantly, you are missing the point that Ram/Vishnu are > omnipresent as the universal consciousness, which is what Prahlad had > to say, and his pop found out when the lion guy popped out of the > pillar.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras..Ram/Narsimha/Varaha

2005-04-26 Thread Llundrub
More importantly, you are missing the point that Ram/Vishnu are omnipresent as the universal consciousness, which is what Prahlad had to say, and his pop found out when the lion guy popped out of the pillar. Devotion to God is regularity of practice of TM which allows one to align oneself

[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras..Ram/Narsimha/Varaha

2005-04-26 Thread Bob Brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sadhak108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sadhak108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogr

[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-26 Thread Bob Brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "'Quite suddenly' gives expression to the way in which > nature functions. Nature ensures great flexibility for the growth of > good or evil in the atmosphere. But when an influence grows beyond > elastic limits, n

[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras..Ram/Narsimha/Varaha

2005-04-26 Thread sadhak108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sadhak108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > From one hour and 10 mins o

[FairfieldLife] Re Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-26 Thread anonymousff
Llundrub wrote: "'Quite suddenly' gives expression to the way in which nature functions. Nature ensures great flexibility for the growth of good or evil in the atmosphere. But when an influence grows beyond elastic limits, nature will no longer sustain it; suddenly the breaking-point is reach

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-26 Thread Llundrub
"'Quite suddenly' gives _expression_ to the way in which nature functions. Nature ensures great flexibility for the growth of good or evil in the atmosphere. But when an influence grows beyond elastic limits, nature will no longer sustain it; suddenly the breaking-point is reached."   ---

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-26 Thread Llundrub
 They should be disbanded immediately.  But, unfortunately, it's already, 30 years TOO LATE.  Let's see RESULTS, not just theories.  Actions speak louder than words.Let's confront these issues and resolve them.I think that this is exactly the goal of Al Qaeda. To subscribe, send a me

[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras..was The Vedas are the sound of memory...

2005-04-26 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sadhak108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > From one hour and 10 mins on during the mou.org press conference of > > 13Apr2005, MMY says some interesting things about

[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-26 Thread Bob Brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bob wrote: > > MMY at one hour and 10 mins and following in the 13Apr2005 press > conference http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Apr/wnews_13apr2005_128.ram , > compares the TM movement to Prahlad: just as Prahlad cou

[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras

2005-04-26 Thread anonymousff
Bob wrote: MMY at one hour and 10 mins and following in the 13Apr2005 press conference http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Apr/wnews_13apr2005_128.ram , compares the TM movement to Prahlad: just as Prahlad could not say that Ram is limited in any way and therefore he could not deny that Ram/Vishnu

[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras..was The Vedas are the sound of memory...

2005-04-25 Thread Bob Brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sadhak108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > From one hour and 10 mins on during the mou.org press conference of > > 13Apr2005, MMY says some interesting things about

[FairfieldLife] Re: Asuras and Avataras..was The Vedas are the sound of memory...

2005-04-25 Thread sadhak108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From one hour and 10 mins on during the mou.org press conference of > 13Apr2005, MMY says some interesting things about the sound of the > Vedas and also Prahlad, the kid who was a devotee of Ram despite his >