[FairfieldLife] Re: Enjoy the Rose! - Indifference tothe thorns is Bliss! - or clouds dissolve

2009-07-20 Thread davidpalmer108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandp...@... wrote: David, Well, Guru Dev speaks of thorns as a means to distinguish the Acacia from the Mango, and he refers to the practice of spreading thorns to keep away monkeys from crops. Further, he uses the Hindi word for

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enjoy the Rose! - Indifference tothe thorns is Bliss!

2009-07-19 Thread Paul Mason
David, Well, Guru Dev speaks of thorns as a means to distinguish the Acacia from the Mango, and he refers to the practice of spreading thorns to keep away monkeys from crops. Further, he uses the Hindi word for thorns - kantak - in a poetic sense when he mentions that:- Thug log saadh vesh

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enjoy the Rose! - Indifference tothe thorns is Bliss!

2009-07-19 Thread davidpalmer108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, David Palmer davidpalmer108@ wrote: Yoga Sutras says that the Kleshas (mental thorns, obstacles to experience of aatmaa) are removed by effort and indifference, or application and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enjoy the Rose! - Indifference tothe thorns is Bliss!

2009-07-19 Thread Paul Mason
David To follow my earlier post which dealt with Guru Dev and the subject of thorns, here is another to address your suggestion that I was dismissing the teaching of TM - I am not! You couldn't be further from the truth as I have practiced this form of meditation for nigh on forty years, only

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enjoy the Rose! - Indifference tothe thorns is Bliss!

2009-07-18 Thread Paul Mason
'We forgive the thorns, and trust that they will wither without our attention.' This is such a good example of the potential disconnect between the experience of meditation and indoctrinated mumbo-jumbo that can sometimes associated with it. David, in case you are really in any doubt about

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enjoy the Rose! - Indifference tothe thorns is Bliss!

2009-07-18 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandp...@... wrote: 'We forgive the thorns, and trust that they will wither without our attention.' This is such a good example of the potential disconnect between the experience of meditation and indoctrinated mumbo-jumbo that can

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enjoy the Rose! - Indifference tothe thorns is Bliss!

2009-07-18 Thread dhamiltony2k5
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, davidpalmer108 davidpalmer...@... wrote: Thanks for your very friendly and encouraging responses to my first post. Someone said Ignorance is Bliss, and it is such a beautiful point that he made that I must elaborate on it.(Everyone is the Guru deep

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enjoy the Rose! - Indifference tothe thorns is Bliss!

2009-07-18 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, davidpalmer108 davidpalmer...@... wrote: Thanks for your very friendly and encouraging responses to my first post. Someone said Ignorance is Bliss, and it is such a beautiful point that he made that I must elaborate on it.(Everyone is the Guru deep

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enjoy the Rose! - Indifference tothe thorns is Bliss!

2009-07-18 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: 'We forgive the thorns, and trust that they will wither without our attention.' This is such a good example of the potential disconnect

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enjoy the Rose! - Indifference tothe thorns is Bliss!

2009-07-18 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: 'We forgive the thorns, and trust that they will wither without our attention.'

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enjoy the Rose! - Indifference tothe thorns is Bliss!

2009-07-18 Thread David Palmer
Yoga Sutras says that the Kleshas (mental thorns, obstacles to experience of aatmaa) are removed by effort and indifference, or application and non-attachment, abhyaasa vairaagyaabhyaam tan nirodhah. Or, as Maharishi would say, by an effortless effort. Jai Guru Dev

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enjoy the Rose! - Indifference tothe thorns is Bliss!

2009-07-18 Thread David Palmer
Dear Paul, It is not by doubting the words of the Guru that one gains knowledge, but by trying to understand them, and by practicing the teaching. If you have doubts over the validity of a statement, then humbly question the teacher. Dismissing the whole teaching is not helpful. The rose and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enjoy the Rose! - Indifference tothe thorns is Bliss!

2009-07-18 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, David Palmer davidpalmer...@... wrote: Yoga Sutras says that the Kleshas (mental thorns, obstacles to experience of aatmaa) are removed by effort and indifference, or application and non-attachment, abhyaasa vairaagyaabhyaam tan nirodhah. Or, as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enjoy the Rose! - Indifference tothe thorns is Bliss!

2009-07-18 Thread raunchydog
Hi David, Thorny posters have their merit Dominating conversation Alas they crush the sweetest rose Rejoicing in ruination The loudest voices shrill in pitch Drown out the softer spoken Love to hear each other bitch Such thorny hearts are broken raunchydog Welcome. Prepare to die. FFLife is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enjoy the Rose! - Indifference tothe thorns is Bliss!

2009-07-17 Thread John
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, davidpalmer108 davidpalmer...@... wrote: Thanks for your very friendly and encouraging responses to my first post. Someone said Ignorance is Bliss, and it is such a beautiful point that he made that I must elaborate on it.(Everyone is the Guru deep