--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote:
Robin1: Ann: This is the second-part of my post to you. My answer to your other
question. :-)
Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote:
AWB1: But this is not the point of my post here
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote:
We are as brave as our willingness to experience as much truth as will hurt us
into changing ourselves.
One thing is certain: at some point in our individual existence we shall meet
a perfect being.
AWB:I have yet to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@
wrote:
RD's behind-sight interpretation of Robin's Aphorisms:
Robin: We are as brave as our willingness to experience as much truth
as will hurt us
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:
RD's behind-sight interpretation of Robin's Aphorisms:
Robin: We are as brave as our willingness to experience as much truth as will
hurt us into changing ourselves.
RD: If the truth hurts, torture works.
RC2: The
Raunchy, you are the funniest, most intelligent, compassionate person I don't
personally know.
From: raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 10:06 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Euripides' The Bacchae
: raunchydog raunchydog@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 10:06 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Euripides' The Bacchae
Â
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote:
Â
RD's behind-sight interpretation of Robin's
intelligent, compassionate person I
don't personally know.Â
From: raunchydog raunchydog@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 10:06 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Euripides' The Bacchae
Â
@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 10:06 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Euripides' The Bacchae
Â
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@
wrote:
Â
RD's behind-sight interpretation of Robin's Aphorisms:
Robin: We
Could you repeat that p[lease?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
richard@... wrote:
snip
awoelflebater:
I should say that in reading this part:
If we had true free-will at birth, we could avoid the
forces of nature such as gravity and we could fly and
leap tall buildings.
I would have to disagree. I believe that there are laws
of nature which are designed to be
.
From: Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 7:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Euripides' The Bacchae
awoelflebater:
I should say that in reading this part:
If we had true free-will at birth, we could avoid
: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 8:35 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Euripides' The Bacchae
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:
Yep it's the trying part that is counter productive. Spiritual
We are as brave as our willingness to experience as much truth as will hurt us
into changing ourselves.
One thing is certain: at some point in our individual existence we shall meet a
perfect being.
If you want to say something you think is true, you must say it through the
totality of who
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
Cut the B.S.
Truth is not a proposition.
I guess your experience is, I can do nothing about this.
See Judy your comment was so apropos it was
emptybill:
Could you repeat that please?
3) Please snip - be highly selective in quoting a
message to which you are responding, deleting all but
the most relevant portions of the prior posts.
Guidelines File:
http://tinyurl.com/c9p3a4u
snip
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote:
We are as brave as our willingness to experience as much truth as will hurt
us into changing ourselves.
One thing is certain: at some point in our individual existence we shall meet
a perfect being.
I have yet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote:
RD's behind-sight interpretation of Robin's Aphorisms:
Robin: We are as brave as our willingness to experience as much truth as will
hurt us into changing ourselves.
RD: If the truth hurts, torture works.
and let the body mind
become more and more settled and spontaneously peaceful.
From: seventhray1 lurkernomore20002...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 10:49 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Euripides
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@
wrote:
I agree with Share here. Living in the now is not a
and spontaneously peaceful.
From: seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 10:49 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Euripides' The Bacchae
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend
point,
there is no inner and outer.
From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 8:23 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Euripides' The Bacchae
Â
--- In FairfieldLife
.
From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 8:23 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Euripides' The Bacchae
Â
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@
wrote:
I agree with Share here. Living in the now is not a
technique for spiritual growth; it's the result of
spiritual growth. The phrase is
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 9:23 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Euripides' The Bacchae
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@
wrote
25, 2012 8:23 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Euripides' The Bacchae
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
Authfriend: Thank you, Robin. That's a pretty neat solution to
the free will-determinism paradox, albeit dependent
on a bunch of assumptions about the nature of the
principle to which we owe our existence--a Creator
with
cannot find the original thread. Â Compassionately, Emily.
From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 9:43 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Euripides' The Bacchae
Â
--- In FairfieldLife
Judy, you are a hoot. Let me reread and see about some comments.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1
lurkernomore20002000@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote:
Life is not designed to have the truth of it known through a process of
transcendence. Life can only be known inside its design from within life
itself; this is why the East must in the final analysis be false; it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLrnkK2YEcE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@...
wrote:
Judy, you are a hoot. Let me reread and see about some comments.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@
wrote:
--- In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote:
When you say something or write something and all the feedback you get comes
from within yourself and from nowhere else, your isolation tells you you are
not exactly making yourself sweet to reality.
Or maybe the
http://youtu.be/r4fPCJYvNMU
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLrnkK2YEcE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@
wrote:
Judy, you are a hoot. Let me reread and see about some
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@...
wrote:
Judy, you are a hoot. Let me reread and see about some comments.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@...
wrote:
Fuck you, Steve. I'm beating you up because you have become
impossibly, relentlessly obnoxious over the last week or so.
Usually it's possible just to ignore your fatuities or giggle
at them, but you seem to have
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote:
Posted By:
laughinggull108
Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:21 am |
Options
Any confidence not born of grace is potentially suspect.
Thinking you ever have something more to say to someone than you have to say to
maskedze...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 9:43 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Euripides' The Bacchae
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote:
Posted By:
laughinggull108
Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:21 am |
Options
Any
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 9:43 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Euripides' The Bacchae
Â
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
Robin Responds to LaughingGull:
Any confidence not born of grace is potentially suspect.
Thinking you ever have
.
From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 9:43 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Euripides' The Bacchae
Â
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
Posted
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote:
snip
MZ:The mystery of free will versus determinism very much comes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote:
snip
MZ:The mystery of free will versus determinism very much comes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 12:51 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Euripides' The Bacchae
Emily: LOL...when I saw the word dictionary in message view, I immediately
thought how did anyone know that I went to the dictionary? because that's
exactly what I did as well.
Robin: Thank you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@...
wrote:
I still think that a lot of New Age teachers put the horse before the
cart. For example Eckhart Tolle and being in the Now. I think
being in the Now is the result of being very developed rather than a
practice for
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@
wrote:
I still think that a lot of New Age teachers put the horse
before the cart. For example Eckhart Tolle and being in the
Now. I
.
From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 9:43 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Euripides' The Bacchae
Â
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote:
Posted By:
laughinggull108
Thu Nov
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@
wrote:
I still think that a lot of New Age teachers put the horse before the
cart. For example Eckhart Tolle and being in the Now. I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@...
wrote:
I agree with Share here. Living in the now is not a
technique for spiritual growth; it's the result of
spiritual growth. The phrase is DEscriptive, not
PREscriptive. *Trying* to live in the now is a recipe
for utter
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@...
wrote:
Many years ago a Swami said, As we go through life thinking heavy
thoughts, thought particles tend to get caught between the ears and
cause a condition called truth decay. Be sure to use mental floss twice
a day, and when
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@
wrote:
I agree with Share here. Living in the now is not a
technique for spiritual growth; it's the result of
spiritual growth. The
Good one Raunchy. Your sense of humor enlightens my day. Ha.
From: raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 8:19 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Euripides' The Bacchae
--- In FairfieldLife
Ann: You have asked two separate questions about enlightenment. This is the
answer to your first question (personal differences in the form enlightenment
might take). I will answer your second question (which concerns free will and
the preservation of the integrity of the individual human
Ann: This is the second-part of my post to you. My answer to your other
question. :-)
Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote:
AWB: But this is not the point of my post here (as I have said, this is not a
subject
I usually talk about or even think about
Robin, I too enjoyed your list of criteria for determining the truth (although
I'll have to admit, I had to read each one very, very slowly!).
I watched Sylvia again last night, a movie about Sylvia Plath (Gwyneth
Paltrow), her writings, her marriage to Ted Hughes (Daniel Craig), and finally
Yea, Robin, I enjoyed your sutras. I'd like to call them the
Robindra Sutras, but maybe that would have negative connotation. But
I couldn't think of a better name. But I did enjoy them, and would like
to reflect more on them. I think you've got something there, but it
doesn't exactly lend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin
awoelflebater:
I am curious about all of this in relation to the
'fact' of enlightenment.
You should not confuse the early 'Gnostic' sects with the
South Asian Enlightenment Tradition which was founded by
the Shakya, nor with the 'Age of Enlightenment' in
European history.
Humans don't
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote:
Robin, I too enjoyed your list of criteria for determining the truth
(although I'll have to admit, I had to read each one very, very slowly!).
I watched Sylvia again last night, a movie about Sylvia Plath (Gwyneth
Thanks Richard, very informative. Any information is useful as I have never
made any sort of study of this subject. I know there are many here who could
write dissertations on all of this. Although I do live in my head I am also
very much in my body. I figure since I have a brain and a body I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote:
snip
MZ:The mystery of free will versus determinism very much comes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote:
snip
MZ:The mystery of free will versus determinism very much comes
into your question to me, raunchy. I have always wondered
(taking this even just as a metaphor) how an individual
judgment can be made of a created
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote:
'...that one can determine the extent to which one has
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote:
snip
MZ:The mystery of free will versus determinism very much comes
into your question to me, raunchy. I have always wondered
(taking this even just as a metaphor) how an individual
judgment can be made of a created
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote:
'...that one can determine the extent to which one has subjectively got a
hold of the truth versus the extent to which
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote:
'...that one can determine the extent to which one
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros
Robin, that was superb!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote:
'...that one can determine
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:33 AM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote:
**
P.P.S.
A SCORPION MOMENT:
A Hindu man saw a scorpion floundering around in the water. He decided to
save it by stretching out his finger, but the scorpion stung him. The man
still tried to get the scorpion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote:
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:33 AM, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:
**
P.P.S.
A SCORPION MOMENT:
A Hindu man saw a scorpion floundering around in the water. He decided to
save it by
On Nov 20, 2012, at 3:02 PM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@...
wrote:
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:33 AM, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:
**
P.P.S.
A SCORPION MOMENT:
A
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote:
On Nov 20, 2012, at 3:02 PM, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
wrote:
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:33 AM, raunchydog
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 3:39 PM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote:
**
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@...
wrote:
On Nov 20, 2012, at 3:02 PM, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote:
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 3:39 PM, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:
**
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
wrote:
On Nov 20, 2012, at 3:02 PM, raunchydog
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 6:54 PM, awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote:
**
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@...
wrote:
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 3:39 PM, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:
**
--- In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote:
'...that one can determine the extent to which one has subjectively got a
hold of the truth versus the extent to which subjectively one has not got a
hold of the truth'
'I am not going to list off the
feste, you used to be one of the most sensible posters here.
What on earth has happened to you?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote:
I was just reading Euripides' The Bacchae. It's an interesting play.
Dionysus, leader of a new cult, descends on Thebes with his
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@...
wrote:
snip
But of course, Steve. But I am saying there is indeed a systematic and
beautiful and reliable means of going about making such a determination.
I don't say this to make you believe what I have just asserted. I only
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@...
wrote:
No, no Steve. I have always told it as I think/find/understand it -
how I feel now, how I felt then. I have commented on what I, me, only
AWB, feels about things and what I know. There really are no closed
doors with me. I
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