[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-25 Thread Patrick Gillam
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 1/17/06 4:44 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Absolutely. If it weren't true, the "Left Behind" > > series of books would not be the huge sellers they > > are. Modern-day (that is to say, so perv

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > on 1/17/06 4:44 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > Absolutely. If it weren't true, the "Left Behind" > > > serie

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Regarding the more numerous funda

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Regarding the more numerous fund

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-19 Thread anonyff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 1/18/06 4:43 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> on 1/17/06 11:16 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wro

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-18 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 18, 2006, at 5:53 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > It was I who said that. I get the impression that the majority of > > Christians, at least in this country, are fundamentalists, and most > > of them > > buy into th

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 1/18/06 6:00 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > *Looking foward* to seeing the "unsaved" suffer at God's > > hands is obviously not doctrinal; it would be a matter > > of personal idiosyncrasy (not

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 1/18/06 6:00 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > *Looking foward* to seeing the "unsaved" suffer at God's > hands is obviously not doctrinal; it would be a matter > of personal idiosyncrasy (not to mention hard to > reconcile with the directive to convert nonbelievers). It's not doc

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 1/18/06 4:43 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> on 1/17/06 11:16 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wr

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-18 Thread Vaj
On Jan 18, 2006, at 5:53 PM, Rick Archer wrote:It was I who said that. I get the impression that the majority of Christians, at least in this country, are fundamentalists, and most of them buy into the Judgment Day thing, which implies that they don't expect a picnic is in store for the "unsaved.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 1/18/06 4:43 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> on 1/17/06 11:16 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> At a time when the nation is highly influenced by >>> religiously conservative

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 1/17/06 11:16 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > At a time when the nation is highly influenced by > > religiously conservative politicians, I'm surprised > > more people don't take the tack Stev

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-18 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Go Steve! What a great Op-Ed piece. Absolutely > > brilliant using the Bible to ground a moral argument. > > Love to see what a Fundie c

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-18 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Go Steve! What a great Op-Ed piece. Absolutely > brilliant using the Bible to ground a moral argument. > Love to see what a Fundie can say in response. A fundie will simply offer a different interpretation. If the Bible w

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 17, 2006, at 7:49 PM, Peter wrote: > > > Go Steve! What a great Op-Ed piece. Absolutely > > brilliant using the Bible to ground a moral argument. > > Love to see what a Fundie can say in response. > > > >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jan 17, 2006, at 7:49 PM, Peter wrote: Go Steve! What a great Op-Ed piece. Absolutely brilliant using the Bible to ground a moral argument. Love to see what a Fundie can say in response. Oink?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread feste37
I agree with Peter. Druker's article is excellent. It's about time someone said this, and he says it very well. It's time these hog farms were exposed for the disgusting abuse that they heap upon these gentle animals. A factory "farm" is a concentration camp designed to torture and kill animals.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread Rick Archer
on 1/17/06 7:45 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hey, maybe it'll take sit-ins to keep factory farming out > of Iowa. Wouldn't that catch the public eye! Middle- > aged and elderly Iowans, women, most likely, parking > their ample bottoms on the grounds before the bulldozers. > T

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread Peter
Go Steve! What a great Op-Ed piece. Absolutely brilliant using the Bible to ground a moral argument. Love to see what a Fundie can say in response. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Today the Des Moines Register is running my > opinion piec

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Robert Gimbel wrote: > > A leader like MLK, for example, or Gandhi, in India, has much more > staying power, because their message is based on love, which is the > only thing that +Does+ have staying power... I agree that love lasts, but I don't see other non-violent political movements any

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 1/17/06 4:44 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Absolutely. If it weren't true, the "Left Behind" > > series of books would not be the huge sellers they > > are. Modern-day (that is to say, so per

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 1/17/06 4:44 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Absolutely. If it weren't true, the "Left Behind" > > series of books would not be the huge sellers they > > are. Modern-day (that is to say, so perv

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread Rick Archer
on 1/17/06 4:44 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Absolutely. If it weren't true, the "Left Behind" > series of books would not be the huge sellers they > are. Modern-day (that is to say, so perverted as to > no longer resemble the teachings of the founder of > the religion) Christia

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Leviticus, chapter 18 > > ...yeah, but what does it say about Big Macs? They're Ok unless you try to have sex with them.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 1/17/06 11:16 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > At a time when the nation is highly influenced by > > religiously conservative politicians, I'm surprised > > more people don't take the tack Steven

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Regarding the more numerous fundamentalist christians, > > the Old T declares both sodomy and eating shellfish to be > > abom

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread Rick Archer
on 1/17/06 1:34 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The consumer is > the one who is shielded from all the horror that is/was the animal's > life that he is eating; Not really. He unwittingly imbibes all the misery and fear that the animal experienced. Yah

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Regarding the more numerous fundamentalist christians, > > the Old T declares both sodomy and eating shellfish to be > > abom

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread shempmcgurk
Yesterday evening's "The Big Idea with Donny Deutsch" sole guest for the hour was the rock and roll star Ted Nugent who is well-known for his gun advocacy and hunting. Deutsch, who is obviously anti-hunting yet an admitted meat-eater, called hunting cowardly. He openly distained the film clips

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Regarding the more numerous fundamentalist christians, > the Old T declares both sodomy and eating shellfish to be > abominations, right in the same paragraph, Leviticus, chapter 18 1: And the LORD spake un

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Regarding the more numerous fundamentalist christians, > the Old T declares both sodomy and eating shellfish to be > abominations, right in the same paragraph, but for some reason the > fundies still line up for

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread Rick Archer
on 1/17/06 11:16 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > At a time when the nation is highly influenced by > religiously conservative politicians, I'm surprised > more people don't take the tack Steven Druker > does below: ask these people to reconcile their > policies with their religiou

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At a time when the nation is highly influenced by > religiously conservative politicians, I'm surprised > more people don't take the tack Steven Druker > does below: ask these people to reconcile their > polic

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread Patrick Gillam
At a time when the nation is highly influenced by religiously conservative politicians, I'm surprised more people don't take the tack Steven Druker does below: ask these people to reconcile their policies with their religious beliefs. For example, I've wondered why the Christians among the DC

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread Dick Mays
Title: Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog F Today the Des Moines Register is running my opinion piece on the spiritual pollution of high-density hog farms.  It is attached and reproduced below.  As the editors note in their headline introducing the essay, it is "the most damni