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> > > Peter mentioned intention is more powerful than prayer. Of course my
> > first response is "Wh
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> On Apr 3, 2011, at 3:37 PM, tartbrain wrote:
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> >> On Apr 2, 2011, at 11:45 AM, tartbrain wrote:
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> >>> I would venture that caring about labels to assign to the d
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> On Apr 3, 2011, at 5:22 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote:
> > > Peter mentioned intention is more powerful than prayer. Of course my
> > > first response is "Where is the f*cking double bl
On Apr 3, 2011, at 5:22 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote:
> > Peter mentioned intention is more powerful than prayer. Of course my first
> > response is "Where is the f*cking double blind, large randomized sample,
> > peer reviewed studies on that?
On Apr 3, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Robert wrote:
> There always is the certainty that there is a witness to any and all
> experiences...
No, from your POV there might be a certainty that there is such a witness to
activity. But for some, you should appreciate that some may, just as they are,
long ag
On Apr 3, 2011, at 3:37 PM, tartbrain wrote:
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>> On Apr 2, 2011, at 11:45 AM, tartbrain wrote:
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>>> I would venture that caring about labels to assign to the degree of the
>>> unfoldment of Awareness is also a trap. One could argue
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote:
> > Peter mentioned intention is more powerful than prayer. Of course my
> first response is "Where is the f*cking double blind, large randomized
> sample, peer reviewed st
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote:
> Peter mentioned intention is more powerful than prayer. Of course my
first response is "Where is the f*cking double blind, large randomized
sample, peer reviewed studies on that?" .. and proceed echoing his rants
that this is crap science
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote:
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> > On Apr 2, 2011, at 11:45 AM, tartbrain wrote:
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> > > I would venture that caring about labels to assign to the degree of the
> > > unfoldment of Awareness is also a t
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> > > On Apr 2, 2011, at 10:53 AM, tartbrain wrote:
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> > > > So the list appears to be necessa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> On Apr 2, 2011, at 11:45 AM, tartbrain wrote:
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> > I would venture that caring about labels to assign to the degree of the
> > unfoldment of Awareness is also a trap. One could argue that without such
> > labels, how does one know if the
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> > On Apr 2, 2011, at 10:53 AM, tartbrain wrote:
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> > > So the list appears to be necessary but not sufficient for the
> > > established non-dual state.
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> > It
On Apr 2, 2011, at 11:45 AM, tartbrain wrote:
> I would venture that caring about labels to assign to the degree of the
> unfoldment of Awareness is also a trap. One could argue that without such
> labels, how does one know if they are on the path and advancing.
But then you still "remain in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> On Apr 2, 2011, at 12:21 PM, tartbrain wrote:
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> > Which brings to mind Christian Science. Any experience or observations on
> > the core inner practices. Not the outer things (like not seeing doctors --
> > which is a myth, or empirical
On Apr 2, 2011, at 12:21 PM, tartbrain wrote:
> Which brings to mind Christian Science. Any experience or observations on the
> core inner practices. Not the outer things (like not seeing doctors -- which
> is a myth, or empirical ineffectiveness in some cases.) Rather the opening up
> oneself
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> > On Apr 2, 2011, at 10:53 AM, tartbrain wrote:
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> > > So the list appears to be necessary but not sufficient for the
> > > established non-dual state.
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> > It's
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> On Apr 2, 2011, at 11:45 AM, tartbrain wrote:
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> > Not doubting does release a lot of wound up mental energy and tends to
> > still the mind. OTOH, in listening to some BatGap interviews, and some
> > posts there, and here, it would appe
On Apr 2, 2011, at 11:45 AM, tartbrain wrote:
> Not doubting does release a lot of wound up mental energy and tends to still
> the mind. OTOH, in listening to some BatGap interviews, and some posts there,
> and here, it would appear to me that a little more doubting about what the
> direct exp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> On Apr 2, 2011, at 10:53 AM, tartbrain wrote:
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> > So the list appears to be necessary but not sufficient for the established
> > non-dual state.
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> It's actually an abbreviated list of 10 classes. There are really hundreds of
> exa
On Apr 2, 2011, at 10:53 AM, tartbrain wrote:
> So the list appears to be necessary but not sufficient for the established
> non-dual state.
It's actually an abbreviated list of 10 classes. There are really hundreds of
examples to guide you when you "miss it" or are in danger of "caging it up
On Apr 2, 2011, at 10:18 AM, seventhray1 wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> > It very likely would be a dharma cage for CC, but CC is not considered a
> > form of enlightenment in Buddhist traditions. It is helpful however. My own
> > teacher was in continuous awarenes
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> On Apr 2, 2011, at 9:54 AM, tartbrain wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> >> On Apr 1, 2011, at 11:06 PM, tartbrain wrote:
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> >>> Terminology is always a hurdle (yes, I am sure #11 is "Seeing te
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> It very likely would be a dharma cage for CC, but CC is not considered
a form of enlightenment in Buddhist traditions. It is helpful however.
My own teacher was in continuous awareness since he was 14 years old,
This is right around Bar Mitzva
On Apr 2, 2011, at 9:54 AM, tartbrain wrote:
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>> On Apr 1, 2011, at 11:06 PM, tartbrain wrote:
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>>> Terminology is always a hurdle (yes, I am sure #11 is "Seeing terminology
>>> as a hurdle". Non-duality to me means the equivalent to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> On Apr 1, 2011, at 11:06 PM, tartbrain wrote:
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> > Terminology is always a hurdle (yes, I am sure #11 is "Seeing terminology
> > as a hurdle". Non-duality to me means the equivalent to TMO BC. These
> > hurdles seem more, or at least as
On Apr 1, 2011, at 11:06 PM, tartbrain wrote:
> Terminology is always a hurdle (yes, I am sure #11 is "Seeing terminology as
> a hurdle". Non-duality to me means the equivalent to TMO BC. These hurdles
> seem more, or at least as relevant, for CC type of state. Does this list mean
> CC? (And i
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
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> > HHDL on the ten signs of losing nonduality or rigpa, the natural
> > state:
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> > 8. The trap of aimlessly chattering about your `realization';
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> Can you say the BA
right...#11 - give up the previous 10.
http://www.fantasygallery.net/campus/art_5_gibbering-gout.html
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> > HHDL on the ten signs of losing nonduality or rigpa, the natural stat
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> HHDL on the ten signs of losing nonduality or rigpa, the natural state:
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> When experiences like these [of nonduality] arise, there are also
> spiritual traps,
> which are said to be "the greatest ways in which nonduality is
> bound". The
On Apr 1, 2011, at 3:03 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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>> HHDL on the ten signs of losing nonduality or rigpa, the natural
>> state:
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>> 8. The trap of aimlessly chattering about your `realization';
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> Can you say the BATGAP forum? I think you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> HHDL on the ten signs of losing nonduality or rigpa, the natural
> state:
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> 8. The trap of aimlessly chattering about your `realization';
Can you say the BATGAP forum? I think you can.
On 04/01/2011 09:09 AM, PaliGap wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>> HHDL on the ten signs of losing nonduality or rigpa, the natural state:
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>> When experiences like these [of nonduality] arise, there are also
>> spiritual traps,
>> which are said to be "the greatest w
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> HHDL on the ten signs of losing nonduality or rigpa, the natural state:
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> When experiences like these [of nonduality] arise, there are also
> spiritual traps,
> which are said to be "the greatest ways in which nonduality is
> bound". Ther
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