[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Bypass

2009-04-29 Thread Hugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Apr 28, 2009, at 10:24 PM, scienceofabundance wrote: > > > I was talking earlier today to a friend of mine who is a university > > teacher in counseling. We were talking about last Sunday's NY Times > > article titled "Enlightenment T

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Bypass

2009-04-29 Thread TurquoiseB
Vaj, this is interesting to me in light of my mini-rant the other day about TM "rounding" and the almost *expected* negative results of it such as being "spaced out," experiencing "heavy unstressing," etc. I have encountered other teachers in the larger world of meditative arts who have also war

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Bypass

2009-04-29 Thread Richard J. Williams
TurquoiseB wrote: > I'm wondering whether any of the sources you men- > tion below talked about these issues. Thanks in > advance... > Yes, they do, Turq. For example, Sogyal Rinpoche: "So take care not to impose anything on the mind or to tax it. When you meditate there should be no effort to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Bypass

2009-04-29 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: > What needs to happen at this point, is the > teacher needs to awaken kundalini through > shaktipat... > What needs to happen is, nothing. There is not a single thing that an aspirant or a teacher can do to develop awareness of the Transcendent - not a subject of cognition. No prac

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Bypass

2009-04-29 Thread scienceofabundance
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > One must wait > to their next birth to try again. > If they were given proper instruction on how to deal with this (and followed it), why would they need to wait to the next birth to try again? Or would they? Science

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Bypass

2009-04-29 Thread Richard J. Williams
Bhairitu wrote: > Or the teacher should have given the > meditation technique with shaktipat > to begin with... > Look, Fella, you don't exactly have a good history of giving anyone anything, especially instruction in meditation. If people paid good money to learn how to sit from you in the f

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Bypass

2009-04-30 Thread Richard J. Williams
> > What needs to happen is, nothing. There is > > not a single thing that an aspirant or a > > teacher can do to develop awareness of the > > Transcendent - not a subject of cognition. > > Vaj wrote: > Wow, you sound really confused. > You just don't seem to get it, Vaj. Everytime you apply str

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Bypass

2009-04-30 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > One must wait > > to their next birth to try again. > > > If they were given proper instruction on how to deal with this (and followed > it), why would they need to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Bypass

2009-04-29 Thread Vaj
On Apr 29, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Hugo wrote: Boy it sounds a lot harder than "unstressing" no wonder the TMO simplifies everything. The type of techniques to guide people beyond swooning are actually quite easy, they just require a good guide. But it does explain why you meet some people w

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Bypass

2009-04-29 Thread Vaj
On Apr 29, 2009, at 12:18 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: Vaj, this is interesting to me in light of my mini-rant the other day about TM "rounding" and the almost *expected* negative results of it such as being "spaced out," experiencing "heavy unstressing," etc. I have encountered other teachers in the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Bypass

2009-04-29 Thread Vaj
On Apr 29, 2009, at 4:07 PM, scienceofabundance wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: One must wait to their next birth to try again. If they were given proper instruction on how to deal with this (and followed it), why would they need to wait to the next birth to try

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Bypass

2009-04-29 Thread Vaj
On Apr 29, 2009, at 2:50 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: What needs to happen at this point, is the teacher needs to awaken kundalini through shaktipat... What needs to happen is, nothing. There is not a single thing that an aspirant or a teacher can do to develop awareness of the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Bypass

2009-04-29 Thread Bhairitu
Richard J. Williams wrote: > Bhairitu wrote: > >> Or the teacher should have given the >> meditation technique with shaktipat >> to begin with... >> >> > Look, Fella, you don't exactly have a > good history of giving anyone anything, > especially instruction in meditation. > > How wo