[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-14 Thread Richard J. Williams
TurquoiseB wrote: > Me, I just don't think in terms of Krishna, or > gods, or goddesses, or devatas, or whatever. > They just don't "map" to my life in any way. > So it's difficult for me to identify with them > when used as metaphors by someone to whom they > *do* mean something. > "In the

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-12 Thread Richard J. Williams
> > Sal Sunshine wrote: > > > I was thinking the same thing, which seems to > > > happen pretty regularly whenever Barry is > > > crossed on no-matter how trivial a subject. > > > The person doing the crossing then becomes > > > some faceless dude or dudette whose name > > > Barry suddenly ca

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-12 Thread curtisdeltablues
Actually I was just referring to the part of the definition that includes his having created the universe which has specific cosmological implications which is important for it to have meaning. I am not saying that religious people need to have a complete definition for a decent discussion, but th

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-12 Thread authfriend
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Saying that "God is love" is not the complete definition > of the word "God" or there would not be two different words. > No need for a straw man. The idea that a religious person must have a "complete definition of God" i

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-12 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > amarnath writes snipped > However, if one applies this quote to itself, then you get > "believe not" in "believe nothing" > since (-)x(-) = (+) > we get: "believe not" in "believe nothing" = "believe ever

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-12 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Software release out the door, deadline over, and > now I have more time to play, so I will... > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Duveyoung wrote: > > Meanwhile, about that "God" thingy. Here's a way that maybe > > you can relax abo

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-12 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
amarnath writes snipped However, if one applies this quote to itself, then you get "believe not" in "believe nothing" since (-)x(-) = (+) we get: "believe not" in "believe nothing" = "believe everything" and this is what I have heard Charlie Lutz and Amma and others say, "I believe in everything!

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-12 Thread curtisdeltablues
OK I think I get it now. Sullivan is a: Catholic who doesn't believe that the Pope has a special relationship with the truth of reality. Christian who doesn't believe in the divinity of Christ or his death as salvation. the Bible as divinely inspired, but not as a special book differing from al

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-11 Thread TurquoiseB
Software release out the door, deadline over, and now I have more time to play, so I will... --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You seem to be, well, very hair-triggered about certain > concepts. Is that true? You may say no, but then why > that tone? "That t

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-11 Thread geezerfreak
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sal Sunshine wrote: > > I was thinking the same thing, which seems to > > happen pretty regularly whenever Barry is > > crossed on no-matter how trivial a subject. > > The person doing the crossing then becomes > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-11 Thread Richard J. Williams
Sal Sunshine wrote: > I was thinking the same thing, which seems to > happen pretty regularly whenever Barry is > crossed on no-matter how trivial a subject. > The person doing the crossing then becomes > some faceless dude or dudette whose name > Barry suddenly can't remember. > So, it's al

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > wrote: > > > > I was thinking the same thing, which seems to happen pretty > > regularly whenever Barry is crossed on no-matter how trivial > > a subject. The per

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-11 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was thinking the same thing, which seems to happen pretty > regularly whenever Barry is crossed on no-matter how trivial > a subject. The person doing the crossing then becomes some > faceless dude or dudette wh

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-11 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Apr 11, 2007, at 3:54 PM, authfriend wrote: What tone, dude? I was dashing off a reply to you that I *really* didn't have time to write, because I should have been working. I took the time to write what I did because *you* took the time to write what you did. I felt *nothing* in reaction to *

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > You seem to be, well, very hair-triggered about certain > > concepts. Is that true? You may say no, but then why > > that tone? > > What tone, dude? I w

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-11 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Turq, > > Is it my projection or did I go too far and smack you instead of > tickle you?.did I trigger a bit of a harrumph kinda mood? Not at all. I'm really busy right now, and 1) didn't have time to read everythi

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-11 Thread Duveyoung
Turq, Is it my projection or did I go too far and smack you instead of tickle you?.did I trigger a bit of a harrumph kinda mood? Sorry if I ruffled any feathers -- I do this often and am in denial usually, but I tried to warn that I was engaging in an exercise to see if I could take the "othe

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-11 Thread amarnath
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey Turq, > > Let me be playful here and see if this very fine work of yours below > can be doubted too. (Emphasis on the words playful and fine.) > >>> some more "word play" : this quote is attributed to Buddha: "B

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks, I'll trrryy. > > From Andrew above the your quoted post: > > "A reader addresses one central point of contention between Sam Harris > and me - by supporting my position from a more agnostic pe

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-11 Thread curtisdeltablues
Thanks, I'll trrryy. >From Andrew above the your quoted post: "A reader addresses one central point of contention between Sam Harris and me - by supporting my position from a more agnostic perspective:" My points stand. Andrew didn't write it, he is agreeing with it with one irrelevant qu

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > "The answer: because doubting the whole shebang is a > > 'certainty' that could be as mistaken as believing in > > any particular religion. T

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "The answer: because doubting the whole shebang is a > 'certainty' that could be as mistaken as believing in > any particular religion. The argument for believing > in a 'tolerant' religious framework is becaus

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-11 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey Turq, > > Let me be playful here and see if this very fine work of yours > below can be doubted too. (Emphasis on the words playful and fine.) I certainly hope it can. I'm not selling anything. As a former spiri

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-11 Thread curtisdeltablues
"The answer: because doubting the whole shebang is a 'certainty' that could be as mistaken as believing in any particular religion. The argument for believing in a 'tolerant' religious framework is because we do not, and cannot, know the truth of either atheism or of any theismOne can neither p

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-11 Thread jim_flanegin
nice post. more comments below- --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It seems to me, based on my reading here and on a > number of other spiritual forums, that a lot can be > learned about spiritual movements and about the > spiritual seekers within them

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I mean, if God is true, anything can be true, right? If we > don't know EVERYTHING, we can be wrong about anything, right? > But if we don't > allow God to have that freedom, to be that deeply dramatic > over the lifeti

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-11 Thread Duveyoung
Hey Turq, Let me be playful here and see if this very fine work of yours below can be doubted too. (Emphasis on the words playful and fine.) Might give us some insight into Maharishi and others who have taken on that terrible burden: dhoti, divan, and divination. Just keep hearing me giggling i

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-11 Thread curtisdeltablues
Wasn't the line "doubt the doubt"? I don't remember when MMY said it. It may have been a meditation instruction that got generalized. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It seems to me, based on my reading here and on a > number of other spiritual f

[FairfieldLife] Re: The "D" Word

2007-04-11 Thread dhamiltony2k5
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It seems to me, based on my reading here and on a > number of other spiritual forums, that a lot can be > learned about spiritual movements and about the > spiritual seekers within them by how they respond > to the "D"