--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
I did not expect this at all. It came in before I had finished
my previous response. Why did you 'need' another drive by? Oh,
just for the hell of it I suppose. Please enjoy your freedom
to respond.
No
authfriend:
Would somebody please, PLEASE explain to Barry the
difference between determinism and predestination?
We've covered this before - the basic question is,
are we free, or are we bound.
If bound, by what means can we free ourselves (yoga)?
If free, then there is no need for a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@
wrote:
I did not expect this at all. It came in before I had finished
my previous response. Why did you 'need' another drive by? Oh,
just for
Why not write something about your experience at the bluegrass festival? I am
not suggesting this for a source for any arguments.
As for being serious, my importance in this world is very slight. Being serious
is a real drag.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@...
OK, Judy
I am worn out. Today I take it easy. But it was fun. I think Turq is worn out
too, but will probably deny it. I think his main focus for the day was a
bluegrass festival, which adds another layer of potential fatigue to the
process, and he handled it well. I think Turq likes to stir
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
Why not write something about your experience at the bluegrass
festival?
Blues festival. No thanks. Like so many things in
the world, it's one of those you-had-to-have-been-
there kinda things.
As for
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
OK, Judy
I am worn out. Today I take it easy. But it was fun. I think
Turq is worn out too, but will probably deny it.
He has a tendency to get worn out really fast when things
don't go his way.
I think
And I though a good writer could write about anything. But then you do not work
for me; I have no authority to give you an assignment, you are very clearly
your own authority.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Binary illogic.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote:
authfriend:
Would somebody please, PLEASE explain to Barry the
difference between determinism and predestination?
We've covered this before - the basic question is,
are we free, or are we bound.
If
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@ wrote:
This is really valuable information to know, that you (turquoiseb)
speak for the whole universe ('I think this is a pretty dismal view of
the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@ wrote:
This is really valuable information to know, that
well played, both of you.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@
wrote:
This is really valuable information to know, that you (turquoiseb)
speak for the whole universe ('I think this is a pretty dismal
view
Would somebody please, PLEASE explain to Barry the
difference between determinism and predestination?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@
wrote:
snip
Opinion is a word that has many
Back from another quick hike around the six public stages
of my local blues festival, here's another quick drive by
response to Xeno, who seems to expect them. :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
snip
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@
wrote:
As Robert said, enlightenment is (or perhaps is largely
about) eliminating conditioned responses.
Doth what Robert says about
That was a quick reply. I must admit I am a slow poke compared to you.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:...
I think authfriend (Ms Stein) seems a much better appositional combatant to
turquioseb (Mr Wright) because her emotional forthrightness and edginess is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
Back from another quick hike around the six public stages
of my local blues festival...
Are you (at the moment) in Voorthuizen? I have never been there. What is the
town like? How far is that from where you live?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:...
I think authfriend (Ms Stein) seems a much better appositional
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
This is really valuable information to know, that you (turquoiseb)
speak for the whole universe ('I think this is a pretty dismal
view of the universe and indicates that the universe ... doesn't
really
Me, I think this... megasnip
Interesting, seemingly appositional use of the objective
form of the first person pronoun.
turquoiseb:
My guess is that at least 95% of the people
on the planet who believe that there is no
free will do so because of SOMETHING THEY
WERE TOLD. By the spiritual teacher, scrip-
tures, or religions they grew up with or
adopted later...
99.9% of everything we know, we know
Xeno, that is an excellent piece of writing, straddling both the determinist
and free will points of view, and simultaneously bringing them into union wrt
practical experience.
On the one hand I find all the automatic parts of my body silently comforting,
senses, breathing, heartbeat, kidney
I intend to reply to this last post of yours in response to my response to your
original post regarding free will, but I have not had time to study it, so it
might be a few days.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Not to worry. You were constrained by forces beyond your control.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
I intend to reply to this last post of yours in response to my
response to your original post regarding free will, but I have not had
time to
I *understand* that Barry is deathly afraid to read
anything I write (and why), but others here have
answered his questions about free-will-as-illusion as
well, yet he keeps asking the same questions they've
already answered.
Apparently he's also deathly afraid of encountering
a rational case
authfriend:
I *understand* that Barry is deathly afraid to read
anything I write (and why), but others here have
answered his questions about free-will-as-illusion as
well, yet he keeps asking the same questions they've
already answered.
Apparently he's also deathly afraid of encountering
This is really valuable information to know, that you (turquoiseb) speak
for the whole universe ('I think this is a pretty dismal view of the
universe and indicates that the universe ... doesn't really think very
much of them [the no-free-will adherents]'). Someone pass the crown! I
certainly do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
This is really valuable information to know, that you (turquoiseb) speak
for the whole universe ('I think this is a pretty dismal view of the
universe and indicates that the universe ... doesn't really
On Soul suicide (best to replace the S word with subtle body or bodies). In
any event, refer to post #277826. As to subtle body suicide, this is the
official TMO version of existence, or fate; among the Enlightened upon physical
death.
...
Shankara's commentary on the Brahma Sutras (Cf.
I used the words as turquoiseb used them. I personally do not prefer the word
soul because it has confusing implications or possible equivocations when
dealing with multiple spiritual traditions. For myself, I have no clue as to
what a 'subtle body' is. I know people talk of this, but what is
Remember the Tea Party guy who famously yelled at his
congressman, Keep your government hands off my Medicare?
That's Barry: Keep your determinist hands off my free will!
Xeno, excellent job of laying things out. I don't think
it'll do any more good than explaining to the Tea Partier
that
Of course...(as to detection). Basically a subtle body or bodies as a composite
would be, starting with definitions of what an individual body is (in some
traditions, people don't have bodies. They are bodies, or a body/mind). Then
a simple definition as a starting point would be a body/mind
In religious terminology, this is called
the will of God...
I'm much more comfortable with a more
Buddhist view of the universe in which
everyone has Free Will...
There are no Buddhists that believe in a
'Free Will' because that would mean that
they ascribe to the 'soul-monad'
authfriend:
Remember the Tea Party guy who famously yelled at his
congressman, Keep your government hands off my Medicare?
That's Barry: Keep your determinist hands off my free will!
Xeno, excellent job of laying things out. I don't think
it'll do any more good than explaining to the
Yifu, thank you for taking time to answer my queries. I am not convinced of
this. One can have many unusual experience in meditation. Near death
experiences have been tested in certain ways, such as seeing if persons who say
they have had those experiences were able to read messages over the
right...whatever people want, and that seems natural them; just fine with me
(within certain limits). On the whole, the notion of more options available for
choosing sounds better than fewer.
Orthodox Christianity following Paul especially is geared (imo) toward an
immortality of subtle bodily
Enlightenment means freedom from the 'conditioned mind' 'the past' and 'the
future' that's all...
Becoming innocent like a child again...
'Radiate the 'Light of Your Own Being'..
And help to continue the dispelling of darkness...
Radiating 'Truth' dispelling layers of liars, lieing...
---
What's wrong with the good ol' serenity prayer - serenity to accept
things I cannot change (fate) and courage to change things I can (free
will)? I don't agree that Bhagavad Gita was advocating determinism.
Enlightenment also mostly seems to be a result of both, the will to be
free and the grace
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