FYI: ZNC IRC->Email/SMS/Twitter

2009-06-08 Thread Jon Masters
Folks, If anyone here is running ZNC as an IRC bouncer for #f-d, you might be interested in something I hacked together over the weekend: http://www.jonmasters.org/pub/util/awayping/awayping.txt (I'll clean it up some more when I have time). Basically, it lets you have pings and messages matchin

OT: why aren't we campaigning against Apple/Nokia's fight against the use of OGG? (was Re: the end of life for flash player (HTML5))

2009-06-08 Thread Rodd Clarkson
On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 17:30 -0400, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > 2009/6/8 Kelly Miller : > > Thanks to Apple, that isn't going to be happening. Apple's pushing for the > > required default video codec to be the aforementioned nonfree MPEG4/H.264 > > codec, and they don't seem to care whether it can be

Reminder: no new Fedora 9 CVS branches

2009-06-08 Thread Dennis Gilmore
Hi All, As Fedora 11 is released on Tuesday June 9th there will be no new CVS branches allowed for F-9 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Policy/EOL lists the policy in effect. This means that F-9 is now in a maintenance only cycle, with EOL fast approaching, the exact EOL date

Re: More mock problems

2009-06-08 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On 06/08/2009 03:15 PM, Rich Megginson wrote: > Ah, so it is. Thanks! So now my only hurdle is the missing popt-devel > - any ideas? > That one looks like a genuine packaging bug. We don't use rpm-devel on the builders so no one saw it. The header files for popt are in the main popt package i

Re: More mock problems

2009-06-08 Thread Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 14:50 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 11:48 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 11:55 -0600, Rich Megginson wrote: > > > Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > > Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Wed, 2009-0

Re: the end of life for flash player (HTML5)

2009-06-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Ben Boeckel wrote: > Nokia argued against it for patent worries. Probably worried > that if it did get done, some patent troll would come out of > the woodwork with some obscure patent and sue all OGG the > distributors. If you're going to play the numbers the MPEG

Re: Announcing Fedora Activity Day - Fedora Development Cycle 2009

2009-06-08 Thread Gianluca Sforna
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > Not to forget > Jesse (as rel-eng lead in a quite important position) and his "quest > to reduce the number of updates" (which he gave up -- see earlier this > thread), FTR, he actually said "I've all *but* given up on my quest to reduce t

Re: More mock problems

2009-06-08 Thread Rich Megginson
Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On 06/08/2009 02:28 PM, Rich Megginson wrote: Ok, that got me further, but I'm still failing. I had to do rpm --force -Uvh net-snmp*.fedorabuilder.x86_64.rpm But I'm stuck on rpm - both yum and rpm install are failing: liblua-5.1.so()(64bit) is needed by rpm-4

Re: More mock problems

2009-06-08 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On 06/08/2009 02:28 PM, Rich Megginson wrote: > Ok, that got me further, but I'm still failing. I had to do rpm --force > -Uvh net-snmp*.fedorabuilder.x86_64.rpm > > But I'm stuck on rpm - both yum and rpm install are failing: >liblua-5.1.so()(64bit) is needed by rpm-4.6.0-4.0.mitr.1.el5

Re: the end of life for flash player (HTML5)

2009-06-08 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Ben Boeckel wrote: > userbase with extra codec messes. I'm sure IE will just play by > itself in the corner and Safari will play Apple's game no > matter what happens. /s/by/with/ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-dev

Re: More mock problems

2009-06-08 Thread Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 11:48 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 11:55 -0600, Rich Megginson wrote: > > Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > > > > > > > >> On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 00:40 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > >> > > >>> Neal Becker wrote:

Re: the end of life for flash player (HTML5)

2009-06-08 Thread Ben Boeckel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kelly Miller wrote: > Thanks to Apple, that isn't going to be happening. Apple's pushing for the > required default video codec to be the aforementioned nonfree MPEG4/H.264 > codec, and they don't seem to care whether it can be shipped by anybody

Re: Interested in scanning?

2009-06-08 Thread nodata
Am Freitag, den 05.06.2009, 11:23 +0100 schrieb Bastien Nocera: > Heya, > > Yesterday, I was browsing Ubuntu's "Blueprints" for their next release, > and saw this: > https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-gnomescan > > gnome-scan is already packaged by Deji, but I gathe

Re: the end of life for flash player (HTML5)

2009-06-08 Thread drago01
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > 2009/6/8 Kelly Miller : >> Thanks to Apple, that isn't going to be happening.  Apple's pushing for the >> required default video codec to be the aforementioned nonfree MPEG4/H.264 >> codec, and they don't seem to care whether it can be shipp

Re: the end of life for flash player (HTML5)

2009-06-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
2009/6/8 Kelly Miller : > Thanks to Apple, that isn't going to be happening.  Apple's pushing for the > required default video codec to be the aforementioned nonfree MPEG4/H.264 > codec, and they don't seem to care whether it can be shipped by anybody > else. Perhaps pedantry but for the sake of a

Re: FESco meeting summary for 20090605

2009-06-08 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On 06/08/2009 01:06 PM, Simon Wesp wrote: > Am Freitag, 05 Juni 2009 12:21:01 schrieb Kevin Fenzi: > KF> 17:28:03 so, we already have -5 to the exception for zsync > KF> 17:28:28 #agreed No exception for zsync. > > Of course shipping internals is very very evil and I really understand the > pro

Re: More mock problems

2009-06-08 Thread Rich Megginson
Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On 06/08/2009 11:48 AM, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 11:55 -0600, Rich Megginson wrote: Kevin Kofler wrote: Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 00:40 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Neal Beck

Re: More mock problems

2009-06-08 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On 06/08/2009 11:48 AM, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 11:55 -0600, Rich Megginson wrote: >> Kevin Kofler wrote: >>> Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 00:40 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Neal Becker wrote: > >> rpm

Re: the end of life for flash player (HTML5)

2009-06-08 Thread Kelly Miller
Thanks to Apple, that isn't going to be happening. Apple's pushing for the required default video codec to be the aforementioned nonfree MPEG4/H.264 codec, and they don't seem to care whether it can be shipped by anybody else. On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > In Arora

Re: Static system level uid/gid's reservations in Fedora/RHEL - how to handle situation?

2009-06-08 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Friday 05 June 2009, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: > I gave up and renumbered on my newest boxes. It sure is a pain today > when I'm trying to use NFS between an old box and a new one. > > I think that Sun supports UID mapping on NFS but Linux does not. It's supported with NFSv4. That might not

Re: FESco meeting summary for 20090605

2009-06-08 Thread Simon Wesp
Am Freitag, 05 Juni 2009 12:21:01 schrieb Kevin Fenzi: KF> 17:28:03 so, we already have -5 to the exception for zsync KF> 17:28:28 #agreed No exception for zsync. Of course shipping internals is very very evil and I really understand the problems behind them. I'm a pessimist and I ask myself:

Re: More mock problems

2009-06-08 Thread Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 11:55 -0600, Rich Megginson wrote: > Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > > > > >> On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 00:40 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> > >>> Neal Becker wrote: > >>> > rpmdb: Program version 4.7 doesn't match environment version

Re: File Triggers (was Re: Proposal (and yes, I'm willing to do stuff!): Must Use More Macros)

2009-06-08 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le lundi 08 juin 2009 à 20:13 +0200, Florian Festi a écrit : > > This approach has several shortcomings (forgetting the technical > details). It requires a lot of data be shipped with each package. I think you misunderstood me. I'd want the definition for %font of % icon-dir to be factored-out

Re: Orphaning planet package

2009-06-08 Thread Bret McMillan
On 06/06/2009 09:49 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Sat, 6 Jun 2009, Richard Dawe wrote: Good afternoon, I'm the current maintainer of the planet package, but I don't have to maintain it anymore. I am there going to orphan the planet packages. I've taken ownership of it. ... and I'll be helpi

Re: File Triggers (was Re: Proposal (and yes, I'm willing to do stuff!): Must Use More Macros)

2009-06-08 Thread Colin Walters
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 6:01 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote: > > The hardest part is getting the design right the first time, there's no > changing an "api" that is exposed to packages. It's definitely better to get things "right" the first time, but one thing missing from the system now is any kind of

Re: More mock problems

2009-06-08 Thread Rich Megginson
Rich Megginson wrote: Kevin Kofler wrote: Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 00:40 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Neal Becker wrote: rpmdb: Program version 4.7 doesn't match environment version 4.5 You need at least RPM 4.6 on the host systems to build Rawhi

Re: More mock problems

2009-06-08 Thread devzero2000
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Neal Becker wrote: > mock -r fedora-devel-x86_64 --shell > INFO: mock.py version 0.9.14 starting... > State Changed: init plugins > State Changed: start > State Changed: lock buildroot > mock-chroot> rpm -q igraph > rpmdb: Program version 4.7 doesn't match enviro

Re: File Triggers (was Re: Proposal (and yes, I'm willing to do stuff!): Must Use More Macros)

2009-06-08 Thread Florian Festi
Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le samedi 06 juin 2009 à 13:01 +0300, Panu Matilainen a écrit : Yes, having each and every spec carry the %{!?foo:¤%&¤%} macro goo makes no sense at all. That is pretty much what we did for fonts in F11. However many packagers just ignored the change and didn't

Re: the end of life for flash player (HTML5)

2009-06-08 Thread Casey Dahlin
yersinia wrote: > > Enter silverlight :( > > > And monolight > > http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight > > Two sides of the same miserable coin. --CJD -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: More mock problems

2009-06-08 Thread Rich Megginson
Kevin Kofler wrote: Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 00:40 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Neal Becker wrote: rpmdb: Program version 4.7 doesn't match environment version 4.5 You need at least RPM 4.6 on the host systems to build Rawhide packages, that's

Re: File Triggers (was Re: Proposal (and yes, I'm willing to do stuff!): Must Use More Macros)

2009-06-08 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 13:31 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le dimanche 07 juin 2009 à 12:31 +0300, Panu Matilainen a écrit : > > > Btw your initial suggestion of collecting the common stuff into macros > > and converting packages to use them would be useful on several ways: > > a) Finding out th

Re: the end of life for flash player (HTML5)

2009-06-08 Thread yersinia
> Enter silverlight :( > And monolight http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight > --CJD > > -- > fedora-devel-list mailing list > fedora-devel-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list > -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.

Re: Interested in scanning?

2009-06-08 Thread Kevin Page
On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 14:04 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > I have an old HP ScanJet 5370C, for which according with > sane-project.org the support is "Good" (avision backend). For me the > best was around F9, when it worked 50% of the time Unfortunately SANE support for the 5370C isn't universally

Re: FESco meeting summary for 20090605

2009-06-08 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:55:43 -0700 John Poelstra wrote: > Kevin Fenzi said the following on 06/05/2009 10:51 AM Pacific Time: > > We are trying out a meeting irc bot plugin to handle meetings in a > > more consisent and timely manner. > > > > You can find a copy of the meeting output at: > >

Re: Announcing Fedora Activity Day - Fedora Development Cycle 2009

2009-06-08 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
Sorry, was quite busy with other stuff over the past few days and didn't get around to answer this On 03.06.2009 02:15, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 01:08:15AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >>> It IMHO shows a big and more and more pressing problem in Fedora

Re: the end of life for flash player (HTML5)

2009-06-08 Thread Casey Dahlin
drago01 wrote: > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Christof Damian wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 09:48, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >>> Mostly it depends on YouTube - it's 90% of all Flash content for me. So if >>> YouTube (and p0rn variants :D) adopts tag, battle is nearly won. For >>> games - with

Re: File Triggers (was Re: Proposal (and yes, I'm willing to do stuff!): Must Use More Macros)

2009-06-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 15:45 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le lundi 08 juin 2009 à 09:34 -0400, Matthias Clasen a écrit : > > On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 13:25 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > > > I personally think it would be a huge mistake to have stuff happen > > > automatically based on filenam

libblkid and BuildRequires: e2fsprogs-devel

2009-06-08 Thread Karel Zak
The libblkid has been moved from e2fsprogs to util-linux-ng. Please, check your spec files and update BuildRequires: - BuildRequires: e2fsprogs-devel + BuildRequires: libblkid-devel if the package depends on liblkid. Karel -- Karel Zak -- fedora-devel-list mailing lis

Re: File Triggers (was Re: Proposal (and yes, I'm willing to do stuff!): Must Use More Macros)

2009-06-08 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le lundi 08 juin 2009 à 09:34 -0400, Matthias Clasen a écrit : > On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 13:25 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > I personally think it would be a huge mistake to have stuff happen > > automatically based on filename/location heuristics. Naming collisions > > happen all the time (fo

Re: File Triggers (was Re: Proposal (and yes, I'm willing to do stuff!): Must Use More Macros)

2009-06-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 13:25 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > I personally think it would be a huge mistake to have stuff happen > automatically based on filename/location heuristics. Naming collisions > happen all the time (for example GNOME recently decided that a third of > our fonts were "ODF te

Re: FESco meeting summary for 20090605

2009-06-08 Thread John Poelstra
Kevin Fenzi said the following on 06/05/2009 10:51 AM Pacific Time: We are trying out a meeting irc bot plugin to handle meetings in a more consisent and timely manner. You can find a copy of the meeting output at: http://www.scrye.com/~kevin/fedora/fedora-meeting/2009/fedora-meeting.2009-06

Re: More mock problems

2009-06-08 Thread Arnaud Gomes-do-Vale
Kevin Kofler writes: > You need these: http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/builder-rpms/ and > python-hashlib from EPEL. These won't install cleanly on an existing CentOS 5.3 builder, net-snmp is older than the one in CentOS updates. [r...@builder1 ~]# rpm -q rpm net-snmp rpm-4.4.2.3-9.el5

Re: File Triggers (was Re: Proposal (and yes, I'm willing to do stuff!): Must Use More Macros)

2009-06-08 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le dimanche 07 juin 2009 à 12:31 +0300, Panu Matilainen a écrit : > Btw your initial suggestion of collecting the common stuff into macros > and converting packages to use them would be useful on several ways: > a) Finding out the things that *are* common among lots of packages. While > numer

Re: File Triggers (was Re: Proposal (and yes, I'm willing to do stuff!): Must Use More Macros)

2009-06-08 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le samedi 06 juin 2009 à 13:01 +0300, Panu Matilainen a écrit : > Yes, having each and every spec carry the %{!?foo:¤%&¤%} macro goo makes > no sense at all. That is pretty much what we did for fonts in F11. However many packagers just ignored the change and didn't fix their packages. > >>> For

Re: GDM Language list...

2009-06-08 Thread Richard Hughes
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > 1. user chooses a language in GDM for the first time > 2. PK tries to install the -support group We need to come up with a system that isn't based on Fedora, as ubuntu might call this something different. In fedora we might install

Re: dist-f12 buildroot broken due to conflicting /%{_lib}/libblkid.so.1 versions

2009-06-08 Thread Karel Zak
On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 11:37:15AM +0200, Karel Zak wrote: > On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 10:08:23AM +0100, Paul Howarth wrote: > > Task info: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1398761 > > > > ... > > Transaction Check Error: > > DEBUG util.py:256:file /lib64/libblkid.so.1 conflicts

Re: dist-f12 buildroot broken due to conflicting /%{_lib}/libblkid.so.1 versions

2009-06-08 Thread Mamoru Tasaka
Karel Zak wrote, at 06/08/2009 06:37 PM +9:00: On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 10:08:23AM +0100, Paul Howarth wrote: Task info: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1398761 ... Transaction Check Error: DEBUG util.py:256:file /lib64/libblkid.so.1 conflicts between attempted installs

Re: dist-f12 buildroot broken due to conflicting /%{_lib}/libblkid.so.1 versions

2009-06-08 Thread Karel Zak
On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 10:08:23AM +0100, Paul Howarth wrote: > Task info: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1398761 > > ... > Transaction Check Error: > DEBUG util.py:256:file /lib64/libblkid.so.1 conflicts between > attempted installs of e2fsprogs-libs-1.41.6-1.fc12.x86_64

Re: dist-f12 buildroot broken due to conflicting /%{_lib}/libblkid.so.1 versions

2009-06-08 Thread Mamoru Tasaka
Paul Howarth wrote, at 06/08/2009 06:08 PM +9:00: Task info: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1398761 ... Transaction Check Error: DEBUG util.py:256:file /lib64/libblkid.so.1 conflicts between attempted installs of e2fsprogs-libs-1.41.6-1.fc12.x86_64 and libblkid-2.15.1-0

dist-f12 buildroot broken due to conflicting /%{_lib}/libblkid.so.1 versions

2009-06-08 Thread Paul Howarth
Task info: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1398761 ... Transaction Check Error: DEBUG util.py:256:file /lib64/libblkid.so.1 conflicts between attempted installs of e2fsprogs-libs-1.41.6-1.fc12.x86_64 and libblkid-2.15.1-0.1.fc12.x86_64 I guess one of these packages nee

Looking for a ucspi-ipc style tool in Fedora

2009-06-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
In my neverending quest for the School Server, I am looking for a 'unix socket superserver', something akin to xinetd listening on oldstyle unix sockets. Connecting to the right socket triggers the superserver to spawn a (potentially memory-heavy, privileged) process to handle the connection, with

Re: GDM Language list...

2009-06-08 Thread Ankitkumar Rameshchandra Patel
After discussion with Ray Strode, I realized that it's difficult to find a common solution that can work across distributions since GDM is an upstream package. Thanks for the discussion Ray. To me it looks an unsolvable problem if we stick to find an upstream solution. Of course, creating a dow

Re: Some pulseaudio questions...

2009-06-08 Thread Jon Masters
On Sat, 2009-06-06 at 19:01 -0400, Kyle McMartin wrote: > On Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 12:51:02AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > What would be good to have would be a "swap niceness" value that could > > be attached to a processes or memory regions. i.e. some way to > > influence the swapping algo