It's that time of year again... we're planning on getting a brand new RPM
version into Fedora 13. While the feature submission is being processed
and public beta being prepared, we'd like to get some extra testing of the
new RPM to catch out any remaining wrinkles our own testing hasn't
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 1:26 AM, Roopesh Majeti
roopesh.maj...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
Iam new to this fedora world.. a small question on the below discussion:
It is mentioned that having, zero in the third argument is legitimate use
cases. Can somebody direct me to such a use case, as i
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 10:05 +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote:
For an idea what to expect, see the draft release notes at
http://rpm.org/wiki/Releases/4.8.0
Ordered package erasures, excellent.
C.
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On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 07:18 +, Alex Hudson wrote:
On 27/11/09 06:08, Dave Airlie wrote:
Don't use radeonhd, the Fedora X team don't support it and never have.
I'm thinking it should reallyt be removed from the distro at this point
as it makes things worse rather than better.
If you
On Thursday 26 November 2009 23:14:09 Dave Airlie wrote:
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 07:23 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote:
On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 20:16 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/26/2009 07:46 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 17:09:14 +,
Terry
On 11/26/2009 10:12 PM, Dave Airlie wrote:
Yes, some graphics boards I am sure work well, although 3D should really
be working on all cards in 2009 ...
But this is the point, there are a lot of different graphics boards, and
so a much wider scope for the testing is required here which requires
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Dave Airlie airl...@redhat.com wrote:
Yes, some graphics boards I am sure work well, although 3D should really
be working on all cards in 2009 ...
But this is the point, there are a lot of different graphics boards, and
so a much wider scope for the testing
Dne 25.11.2009 10:03, Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a):
If Matěj
and others do their part I'll help them but that's all). So I suppose
the only remaining course of action is to:
When we are clear now, I want to be clear as well ... IMHO, fixing these
bugs (http://is.gd/52X4m) is at least a week of
On 11/26/2009 10:14 PM, Dave Airlie wrote:
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 07:23 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote:
On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 20:16 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/26/2009 07:46 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 17:09:14 +,
Terry Barnabyter...@beam.ltd.uk wrote:
I
Dne 20.11.2009 12:24, Matthew Booth napsal(a):
To get useful bug reports from the unwashed
masses we need anonymous submission, or at least submission which
doesn't require any kind of account creation or authentication.
If somebody with sufficient Perl-foo would help to fix
Dne 24.11.2009 18:02, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
So, we've come up with a plan. With the help of David Lawrence we
propose to add the Triaged keyword to all existing F10-F12 bugs that are
in ASSIGNED state, with the exception of anaconda bugs, PackageReview
bugs and FutureFeature bugs.
If
On 2009/11/27 10:28 (GMT+0100) drago01 composed:
3D shouldn't be considered as nice to have but an essential feature
that should be working.
You can't be serious. 3D is an illusion. A computer display screen only
provides two dimensions. 3D is bling that I have 0 use for.
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On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 04:46:32PM +0100, Jochen Schmitt wrote:
If you mean the original bitmap oriented fonts of X11, so they are
several reasons to avoid the usage of this kinds of fonts.
The may issue with this fonts is, that they are not scaleable to any
size you want.
So what - perhaps
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 03:28:19AM -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
A literal zero prior to preprocessing is either a bug, or some kind of dead-
code causing place-holder.
Not necessarily .. the C code itself may be generated from
something else.
Rich.
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Compose started at Fri Nov 27 08:15:06 UTC 2009
Broken deps for i386
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Dne 27.11.2009 11:56, Richard W.M. Jones napsal(a):
Just because Xft fonts are better does not mean core fonts are
useless.
Sure, nobody said that. If you need them, you are very free in helping
to (re-)package them.
Matěj
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On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:05:10AM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote:
So this is a call for brave testers who eat rawhide for breakfast, to try
out pre-release snapshot(s) of the oncoming RPM release. This is not
I'm in. :)
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On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:11:37AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
So this is a call for brave testers who eat rawhide for breakfast, to try
out pre-release snapshot(s) of the oncoming RPM release. This is not
I'm in. :)
file /usr/lib/rpm/ocaml-find-provides.sh from install of
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:11:37AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
So this is a call for brave testers who eat rawhide for breakfast, to try
out pre-release snapshot(s) of the oncoming RPM release. This is not
I'm in. :)
file
Hi,
I package GrNotify but the project is dead. I have reported some bug
to upstream and I have proposed some patch but no new release since 9
months. I think remove it from Fedora but I don't know any replacement
solution.
That do you think about this ?
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On Nov 24, 2009, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote:
Yes, we may rename the Live images to i386.
If we're going to rename directories to match base arches... How about
using “x86_32”?
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Panu Matilainen said the following on 11/27/2009 12:05 AM Pacific Time:
It's that time of year again... we're planning on getting a brand new
RPM version into Fedora 13. While the feature submission is being
processed and public beta being prepared, we'd like to get some extra
testing of the
Alexandre Oliva wrote:
Yes, we may rename the Live images to i386.
If we're going to rename directories to match base arches...
How about using “x86_32”?
Not only does it not match uname, but it's not specific - is it i386,
i586, i686? I'd like to see the install images named i686 like the
I think it's just an i386 kernel, since they do offer an x86_64 (which they
call amd64) version that has all 64-bit. generic just refers to being the
baseline kernel for the distribution. Both amd64 and i386 have generic
kernels and packages that add onto it in Ubuntu.
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at
On 11/27/2009 06:03 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 03:28:19AM -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
A literal zero prior to preprocessing is either a bug, or some kind of dead-
code causing place-holder.
Not necessarily .. the C code itself may be generated from
something else.
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 09:35 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
Also mentioned then I thought it would be good to have a basic, and simple
for users, graphics testing system to easily allow users to test and
feedback issues. Even if this is simply a short list of 2D/3D applications
and a list of
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 11:08 +0100, Matěj Cepl wrote:
Dne 24.11.2009 18:02, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
So, we've come up with a plan. With the help of David Lawrence we
propose to add the Triaged keyword to all existing F10-F12 bugs that are
in ASSIGNED state, with the exception of anaconda
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 08:12:05 +1000,
Dave Airlie airl...@redhat.com wrote:
Why do you think 3D should be working in 2009 as opposed to any previous
years btw? I'm interested in the logic that leads to this point.
I think one thing that is changing expectations is ATI providing
2009/11/25 Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net:
5. The real users of this stuff never contributed a bit to this
maintenance, avoid answering questions when people ask something about
it, refused to write packaging guidelines to help others do this work
for them when (repeatedly)
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 09:41:17 -0800,
John Poelstra poels...@redhat.com wrote:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/13/Schedule
Is there a calendar page for that that sunbird can use?
I remember running across one for F12, but I don't remember where I found it.
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On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 20:04 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
Hi,
I did take part in the Radeon test day. Unfortunately the tests did not
really cover 3D and it was difficult to test this using the Live system.
I did feed back this.
Right...that is mainly a product of what Dave mentioned, that
On 11/27/2009 11:38 AM, Dave Airlie wrote:
Don't use radeonhd, the Fedora X team don't support it and never have.
I'm thinking it should reallyt be removed from the distro at this point
That makes sense. Why don't we drop this from Rawhide? Shipping
unsupported drivers like this is
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote:
On 2009/11/27 10:28 (GMT+0100) drago01 composed:
3D shouldn't be considered as nice to have but an essential feature
that should be working.
You can't be serious. 3D is an illusion. A computer display screen only
Not that i'm unhappy about the way things are going forward (my intel
gfx are working great!), but gnome 3 isn't going to be much useful
without 3d support...
2009/11/27, drago01 drag...@gmail.com:
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote:
On 2009/11/27 10:28
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I am packaging rasmol.
The rasmol source has a dual GPLv2/RASMOL license, so for Fedora we can
consider that it is licensed gplv2. There are some libraries that are
included that are licensed lgpl. Clearly, the finished rasmol binary is
gplv2 since
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 10:02 +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
On Thursday 26 November 2009 23:14:09 Dave Airlie wrote:
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 07:23 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote:
On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 20:16 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
On 11/26/2009 07:46 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Thu, Nov
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 13:42 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 08:12:05 +1000,
Dave Airlie airl...@redhat.com wrote:
Why do you think 3D should be working in 2009 as opposed to any previous
years btw? I'm interested in the logic that leads to this point.
I think
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 21:24 +0100, stefan riemens wrote:
Not that i'm unhappy about the way things are going forward (my intel
gfx are working great!), but gnome 3 isn't going to be much useful
without 3d support...
Note that gnome-shell working was quite high in Dave's priority list
(within
I just did a new install on a spare laptop. I chose the Software
Development option.
Emacs did not get installed.
Also, although neither mysql-devel, nor postgresql-devel, nor even
libtool-ltdl-devel got installed, I ended up with a huge number of -devel
packages, many of whom, from my
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 21:24 +0100, stefan riemens wrote:
Not that i'm unhappy about the way things are going forward (my intel
gfx are working great!), but gnome 3 isn't going to be much useful
without 3d support...
3D driver for r600 is 35,000 lines just the chipset specific code,
Another
On 11/28/2009 02:12 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
I just did a new install on a spare laptop. I chose the Software
Development option.
Emacs did not get installed.
Also, although neither mysql-devel, nor postgresql-devel, nor even
libtool-ltdl-devel got installed, I ended up with a huge
On 11/28/2009 02:13 AM, Dave Airlie wrote:
We (Red Hat or Fedora) currently don't have access to any sort of
conformance suite for our GL though Intel and VMware have started at
least doing more and more regression test work lately so less and less
crap is making it way into the mainline and
On Sat, 2009-11-28 at 02:11 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 11/28/2009 02:13 AM, Dave Airlie wrote:
We (Red Hat or Fedora) currently don't have access to any sort of
conformance suite for our GL though Intel and VMware have started at
least doing more and more regression test work lately
On 2009/11/27 21:21 (GMT+0100) drago01 composed:
Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:52:25 -0500 Felix Miata composed:
On 2009/11/27 10:28 (GMT+0100) drago01 composed:
3D shouldn't be considered as nice to have but an essential feature
that should be working.
You can't be serious. 3D is an illusion. A
On 11/28/2009 02:21 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
What makes your statement invalid is your use of the word essential. Bling
and essential are mutually exclusive characteristics WRT to normal desktop
users. I didn't use the word useless. And yes, 3D is way more - way more
overhead, way more
On 11/27/2009 10:29 PM, Guillaume Kulakowski wrote:
Hi,
I package GrNotify but the project is dead. I have reported some bug
to upstream and I have proposed some patch but no new release since 9
months. I think remove it from Fedora but I don't know any replacement
solution.
That do you
2009/11/28 Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org:
Why? It's just shows your personal preference for a editor. Emacs is
certainly not needed for software development.
Well one does need an editor for development. Assuming vim and emacs
have roughly equal user bases, chosing emacs over vim
Rahul Sundaram writes:
On 11/28/2009 02:12 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
I just did a new install on a spare laptop. I chose the Software
Development option.
Emacs did not get installed.
Also, although neither mysql-devel, nor postgresql-devel, nor even
libtool-ltdl-devel got installed, I ended
Debayan Banerjee writes:
2009/11/28 Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org:
Why? It's just shows your personal preference for a editor. Emacs is
certainly not needed for software development.
Well one does need an editor for development. Assuming vim and emacs
have roughly equal user
On 11/28/2009 02:32 AM, Debayan Banerjee wrote:
2009/11/28 Rahul Sundaram
Why? It's just shows your personal preference for a editor. Emacs is
certainly not needed for software development.
Well one does need an editor for development. Assuming vim and emacs
have roughly equal user
On 2009/11/28 02:53 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed:
On 11/28/2009 02:21 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
What makes your statement invalid is your use of the word essential. Bling
and essential are mutually exclusive characteristics WRT to normal desktop
On 11/28/2009 02:49 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2009/11/28 02:53 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed:
On 11/28/2009 02:21 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
What makes your statement invalid is your use of the word essential. Bling
and essential are mutually exclusive characteristics WRT to normal desktop
Bruno Wolff III said the following on 11/27/2009 11:59 AM Pacific Time:
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 09:41:17 -0800,
John Poelstra poels...@redhat.com wrote:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/13/Schedule
Is there a calendar page for that that sunbird can use?
I remember running across one
On 11/28/2009 03:14 AM, John Poelstra wrote:
Bruno Wolff III said the following on 11/27/2009 11:59 AM Pacific Time:
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 09:41:17 -0800,
John Poelstra poels...@redhat.com wrote:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/13/Schedule
Is there a calendar page for that that
On 2009/11/28 03:37 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed:
Compositing is sooner or later going to be enabled by default everywhere.
Somehow those niche users managed 10-20 years ago before there was such a
thing as 3D support in XFree86/Xorg.
Times and expectations change.
Physics don't. A
On 11/28/2009 03:26 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2009/11/28 03:37 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed:
Compositing is sooner or later going to be enabled by default everywhere.
Somehow those niche users managed 10-20 years ago before there was such a
thing as 3D support in XFree86/Xorg.
2009/11/28 Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net:
Physics don't. A two dimensional screen will never be able to more than
simulate 3D. 3D requires more dead dinosaurs, coal and/or other sources of
electrical energy than 2D to produce.
lol. That was truly funny (and true)!
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On 2009/11/28 03:01 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed:
Huh? Your perspective just seems very odd. In a year, if we don't have
a composited desktop by default in Fedora, I would be very very
surprised. Just watch.
Good thing all puters don't depend on batteries for power.
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On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 16:06 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Let's say I want to do software development. I make an appropriate selection
when intalling Fedora 12. What editor am I expected to use?
The development group in comps does not list any editor by default.
Those come from the Editors
3D cannot be essential to
users of older hardware, since it turns their hardware into unresponsive mush.
How about visually impaired people? Compiz and the zoom plugin *are*
essential to them.
A friend of mine has an old computer, which is « turned into
unresponsive mush » by 3D, as you say.
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rahul Sundaram
sunda...@fedoraproject.orgwrote:
On 11/28/2009 03:26 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
3D requires more dead dinosaurs, coal and/or other sources of
electrical energy than 2D to produce. I don't expect that to change, and
even
if it does, using more
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote:
On 2009/11/28 03:01 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed:
Huh? Your perspective just seems very odd. In a year, if we don't have
a composited desktop by default in Fedora, I would be very very
surprised. Just watch.
On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:32:04 +0100
drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net
wrote:
On 2009/11/28 03:01 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed:
Huh? Your perspective just seems very odd. In a year, if we don't
have a composited
Good evening all,
I've setup an authorized key for a server I regularly use, but when I
tried to run ssh-add as root, it wouldn't work until I had copied the
SSH_AUTH_SOCK environment variable from my normal user.
I wonder if anyone can tell me the correct way get this variable set
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 12:10:20AM +, Martin Airs wrote:
I've setup an authorized key for a server I regularly use, but when I tried
to run ssh-add as root, it wouldn't work until I had copied the
SSH_AUTH_SOCK environment variable from my normal user.
Wait, back up a second. Well, two
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 17:02 -0600, Sir Gallantmon wrote:
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Rahul Sundaram
sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On 11/28/2009 03:26 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
3D requires more dead dinosaurs, coal and/or other sources
of
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 14:48 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 16:06 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Let's say I want to do software development. I make an appropriate
selection
when intalling Fedora 12. What editor am I expected to use?
The development group in comps
I can't seem to invoke emacs even when I have it installed. Every time I do,
it says the command isn't found. I had to go and find it and add a symlink
to the $HOME/bin folder so that it would work... I know that shouldn't be
happening...
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Braden McDaniel
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Braden McDaniel wrote:
I'm an emacs user who's nearly completely useless in vi. But, really...
it just doesn't matter if emacs isn't installed by default. If you want
it, you know how to get it. And let's be frank: emacs is not something
that a user who is
On 11/27/09, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 21:24 +0100, stefan riemens wrote:
Not that i'm unhappy about the way things are going forward (my intel
gfx are working great!), but gnome 3 isn't going to be much useful
without 3d support...
Note that
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
Once upon a time, Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com said:
I wish
vi had some tutorial the way emacs does, so one don't get lost in it.
In vim, hit F1.
Gives me GNOME Terminal Manual :(
But you can always run vimtutor
On 11/27/2009 08:12 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 20:04 +, Terry Barnaby wrote:
Hi,
I did take part in the Radeon test day. Unfortunately the tests did not
really cover 3D and it was difficult to test this using the Live system.
I did feed back this.
Right...that is
If the NetworkManager service is running, but not managing the current network
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